Just had a look at the financials of Stygian Fox. They have a Patreon that nets them £500 a month for which they have produced 3 NPCs and a short adventure in the last 9 months.

Meanwhile, between 2024 and 2025 they went even further into debt (now nearing £30k) despite liquidating assets.

All going well then.

@Taskerland £500 a month isn't even hobbyist level money. I'd expect any gaming club with a few tables to be making that just to keep the lights on.

How do you run up 30k debt though?

@Printdevil They tried to daisy-chain crowd-funding initiatives despite their funding goals being poorly-researched and off.

They have loads of outstanding projects that never delivered, clearly have not much money coming in because it all got spent up-front and they just narrowly avoided getting forcibly struck off.

@Taskerland That's going so badly you'd think it was planned then.

@Printdevil @Taskerland Their main bod has major CFS and, I suspect, the sort of depression that combines with that to produce "I just can't today" for months at a time. I sympathise, I sometimes get a bit that way myself, but I'm not trying to run a business or promising product any day now. When Kickstarter briefly had a rule that you can't run project N+1 until you've delivered project N, I was one of the people who reported them.
It's a shame, they had good authors, but I think they should admit their bankruptcy. We all know it's coming, and endless petty fundraisers and empty promises don't make them look any better (or do anything for their stress).

@Printdevil @Taskerland Their main bod has major CFS and, I suspect, the sort of depression that combines with that to produce "I just can't today" for months at a time. I sympathise, I sometimes get a bit that way myself, but I'm not trying to run a business or promising product any day now. When Kickstarter briefly had a rule that you can't run project N+1 until you've delivered project N, I was one of the people who reported them.
It's a shame, they had good authors, but I think they should admit their bankruptcy. We all know it's coming, and endless petty fundraisers and empty promises don't make them look any better (or do anything for their stress).

@RogerBW @Printdevil @Taskerland I am endlessly grateful they didn't get follow up on the offer to publish Perishing and I ended up doing it myself.

@RogerBW I think there was someone else involved before and she crashed the entire thing into the side of a mountain. They evidently set up the company to manage the debt and protect themselves from the bankrupcy. They had an author who was also a company director and evidently still capable of producing stuff and he left last year, taking notes of existing projects with him. @Printdevil

@Taskerland @Printdevil as I understand it that original person is still involved, just not formally; the new people are her friends. Every so often one of them burns out and is accused of all sorts of unprofessional behaviour, and someone new comes in.

@RogerBW Yikes. @Printdevil

"how not to enjoy your hobby"

@Taskerland @RogerBW

@Printdevil @Taskerland "turn it into a business when you do not love running a business", I know.

Just had a look at the financials of Stygian Fox. They have a Patreon that nets them £500 a month for which they have produced 3 NPCs and a short adventure in the last 9 months.

Meanwhile, between 2024 and 2025 they went even further into debt (now nearing £30k) despite liquidating assets.

All going well then.

@Taskerland it’s a shame as their early works were great.

As Vazh is feeling burnt out it's probably time to suggest he monetizes his hobby.

@RogerBW @Taskerland

@Taskerland it’s a shame as their early works were great.

@Tim_Eagon @Taskerland Yeah, went into this thread with "what's up with them" because I picked up Things We Left Behind a couple months ago because it specifically hit the exact type of modern age call of Cthulhu I know one of my players wants.

Just had a look at the financials of Stygian Fox. They have a Patreon that nets them £500 a month for which they have produced 3 NPCs and a short adventure in the last 9 months.

Meanwhile, between 2024 and 2025 they went even further into debt (now nearing £30k) despite liquidating assets.

All going well then.

@Taskerland how did you inspect their financials? Are the publicly available in the UK somewhere?