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Trump again floats Canada joining the U.S. as the 51st state

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  • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

    North Korea and Russia have a military alliance as North Korean soldiers were fighting in Ukraine with Russia under Russian control.

    I agree that it is a press statement being BFFs, but China has been supporting Russia’s war efforts with Russia saying they would also support Chinese war efforts. It is definitely a weird alliance, and they most certainly do not trust each other, but they are clearly working together to be a counter to “Western” influence and are likely going to increase military, intelligence, and trade ties.

    I hope that it stops at proxy wars, espionage, and tradefare. I just do not see it as likely given the climate.

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    canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    It’s true that the three have become kind of aligned, I’ll give you that. But, “alliance” implies something like NATO where an attack on one is an attack on all.

    What you’ve mentioned are cases of Russia buying things. The NK troops were sent in exchange for technology and goods. China won’t even sell devoted military hardware, only dual-use civilian technology.

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      Not going to happen.

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      ikidd@lemmy.world
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      “You know, I’ve got no direction to, you know, continue a dialogue on the 51st state. It hasn’t been in play for months,” he said.

      Fucking Hoekstra. What a cock-gobbling sycophant.

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        Not going to happen.

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        blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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        #73

        You get Alberta, we get the west coast. Deal?

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        • S sirmaple__@lemmy.ca

          Not going to happen.

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          ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca
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          #74

          How about we float trump in the gulf of Mexico.

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          • B blametheantifa@lemmy.world

            You get Alberta, we get the west coast. Deal?

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            grindinggears@lemmy.ca
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            #75

            No, not all of us in Alberta are brain dead. No deal.

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            • H humanspiral@lemmy.ca

              The precept behind this is that Canada needs the Golden dome to defend itself from Russia or China. What’s lost is that NORAD defends the US from Russia. We should be paid to protect the US from Russia.

              If we choose to not demonically hate Russia and China, as a carbon copy of US dictated demonic policy, then there is zero need to defend ourselves from what what we do not threaten. A nuclear attack on Canada involves us crossing a dementia line, where even if we’re not the active threat to human countries, exterminating Canadians is viewed as a net global positive. Europe is far ahead of our dementia, and a legitimate threat to humanity in its demonic fascist evil, we would STFU quickly when US bases in Europe are nuked. We already do not need NORAD for defense of Canada. Our section of golden dome would only be to protect the US, and so if they want to build it, they MUST pay us to build it. They also need to start paying us for NORAD. Chinese missiles will not go through Artic to hit US, and again, the best defense is to stop being stupid vs humanity, and being part of same alliances as US.

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              krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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              What the fuck are you talking about?

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              • S shaggysnacks@lemmy.myserv.one

                The Canadian government really should be funding courses on combat first aid, self-sufficiency, and other non-combat insurgency courses.

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                krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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                #77

                Is it really shocking that we have spineless milquetoast leadership?

                No party ran a candidate last election that I’d consider a particularly worthy PM.

                Carney is preferable to pee pee poo poo but imo he’s still severely lacking as a PM.

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                • A apftwb@lemmy.world

                  Sorry. He does that some times. We are working on it. Don’t let him inside. Just try to ignore him for now and he might go away.

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                  krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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                  Terrible advice.

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                  • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

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                    https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2192112/canadians-in-north-see-u-s-as-arctic-threat-on-par-with-russia-survey

                    https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ottawa-reinstate-arctic-ambassador-faces-090000085.html

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                    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/30/north-koreas-kim-consoles-families-of-soldiers-killed-fighting-for-russia

                    https://www.timescolonist.com/world-news/us-confirms-north-korea-has-sent-3000-troops-to-russia-for-training-and-possible-ukraine-combat-9697072

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                    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-kim-north-korea-russia-ukraine-war-troops-2123565

                    https://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-un-nuclear-weapons-10804386

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                    https://www.bostonherald.com/2025/08/18/koreas-tensions-military-drills/

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                    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36877397/jets-attack-run-navy-warship/

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                    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/mainland-chinas-security-focus-may-093000728.html

                    https://www.ipolitics.ca/2025/09/18/canada-ready-to-perform-mass-evacuation-of-taiwan-in-case-of-chinese-invasion-officials/

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                    https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/09/06/trump-swaps-department-of-defense-for-department-of-war/

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                    https://globalnews.ca/news/11457588/donald-trump-canada-51st-state-us-military/

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                    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-28/russian-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov-warns-nato-europe-at-unga/105825572

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                    Happy reading! 🙂

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                    krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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                    #79

                    Wow.

                    Sourced.

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                    • K krooklochurm@lemmy.ca

                      What the fuck are you talking about?

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                      humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                      We don’t need a golden dome. The only country that will ever be a threat to us is US. If the US wants a golden dome they need to pay us to help with shielding their pure evil.

                      The other lie is that “its free if Canada gets burdened by huge US historical debt” (all resulting from department of war)

                      That there is no leader or media in Canada explaining this basic reality to Canadians proves our colonial status and our brainwashing to desperate slavery.

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                      • S sirmaple__@lemmy.ca

                        Not going to happen.

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                        formfiller@lemmy.world
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                        Can the west coast, Hawaii and upper east coast of America become Canadian provinces?

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                        • T tigeroovy@lemmy.ca

                          I’ll go back to the US when Trump and his cronies are dead.

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                          puppinstuff@lemmy.ca
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                          I’m pretty much done for life unless there’s a Nuremberg-style event for all the ICE cosplayers. Trump is only the tip of the iceberg there’s so much more trouble waiting in the depths.

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                          • S sirmaple__@lemmy.ca

                            Not going to happen.

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                            acargitz
                            wrote on last edited by theacharnian@lemmy.ca
                            #83

                            I would gladly welcome New England as our 11th Province and Cascadia as our 12th.

                            Even better, I would love to see a balkanized USA. The current monster is a sclerotic ossified polity incapable of adapting and changing. They have created such a strong central government that everything is a cosmic battle between 2 megatribes and they all hang from the balls of 3 swing SCOTUS justices, 5 swing state senators and 1 crazy POTUS. That’s an insane concentration of power.

                            The US is just too coupled for what it is. An EU-style semi-autonomous decoupling would make everyone that much happier: when Slovenia adopts weird gender rules, Portugal can just shrug and continue. Hungary gets to cosplay Frankoism while Spain sends ships to protect the Gaza Flotilla.

                            So, the US could happily break into some sane set of (10-20) self-coherent countries that can freely experiment with their laws, political cultures structures and constitutions. Let’s also get an independent Quebec in there for good measure, and let’s have an EU-like loose confederation with freedom of movement from the Darién Gap to the Arctic Ocean.

                            For fuck’s sake.

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                            • F formfiller@lemmy.world

                              Can the west coast, Hawaii and upper east coast of America become Canadian provinces?

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                              alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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                              No. Secede and make your own country.

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                              • B blametheantifa@lemmy.world

                                You get Alberta, we get the west coast. Deal?

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                                alsimoneau@lemmy.ca
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                                Better deal, the Albertans that want out get out, and the US explodes into multiple countries.

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                                • T theobvioussolution@lemmy.ca

                                  He’s not kidding. The whole “no rules of engagement” speech by Hegseth, Canada should be preparing a drone army by now, Ukraine style.

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                                  acargitz
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                                  Abso-fucking-lutely. Ukraine has shown the 20th century military doctrines to be dead and has shown how smaller countries can fuck up bigger ones with drone warfare. Canada needs this and I’m not even a militarist.

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                                  • acargitzT acargitz

                                    I would gladly welcome New England as our 11th Province and Cascadia as our 12th.

                                    Even better, I would love to see a balkanized USA. The current monster is a sclerotic ossified polity incapable of adapting and changing. They have created such a strong central government that everything is a cosmic battle between 2 megatribes and they all hang from the balls of 3 swing SCOTUS justices, 5 swing state senators and 1 crazy POTUS. That’s an insane concentration of power.

                                    The US is just too coupled for what it is. An EU-style semi-autonomous decoupling would make everyone that much happier: when Slovenia adopts weird gender rules, Portugal can just shrug and continue. Hungary gets to cosplay Frankoism while Spain sends ships to protect the Gaza Flotilla.

                                    So, the US could happily break into some sane set of (10-20) self-coherent countries that can freely experiment with their laws, political cultures structures and constitutions. Let’s also get an independent Quebec in there for good measure, and let’s have an EU-like loose confederation with freedom of movement from the Darién Gap to the Arctic Ocean.

                                    For fuck’s sake.

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                                    humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                                    State politicians are as much pussies as Canadian ones, so it will take time for everyone to grow a spine, but the US is certain to collapse, and the easiest path to collapse is state run tax strikes and secession. Normally fair secession involves a fair division of assets and liabilities. Fascist department of war invasions of states and cities, and fascist defunding attacks on blue states while propping up red state industries with tariffs at expense of every consumer gives a declaration of war pretense for immediate secession of all cooperation with zionazi/oligarchist regime. The zionazi/oligarchist grip on state politicians allied with national parties makes them pussies, just as the CIA forces all of our politicians to be pussies.

                                    The dissolution of the US will come as a loophole to cancel all of its debt. One state going on a tax strike or seceding is an extra straw on the camel’s (already trembling) back, and war against that state would be a further straw. Obvious to all that disolving the union and starting over makes much more sense than “peacefully accepting their share of zionazi debt”. Any division or internal war is unsustainable for US.

                                    Canada and China can greatly help with refederation of US states. It would be good for Canada to welcome US states. Market access to China is good for any new federation. If protecting a domestic auto industry makes sense, then Michigan being part of Canada makes sense. Agriculture sector in Canada has pressured Ottawa to stop being stupid. Most red states are dying due to 0 agriculture sales. US climate terrorism for Skynet is going to make electricity scarce for Americans. Forcing blue states to be extorted by red state energy, and narrow purple state tariff subsidies, requires complete zionazi slave pussies gaslighting their people to tolerate and sustain.

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                                    • S sirmaple__@lemmy.ca

                                      Not going to happen.

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                                      hastur@lemmy.ca
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                                      rather be dead than american, and unlike the pussies in the US, I’ll fight to keep my way of life

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                                      • S sirmaple__@lemmy.ca

                                        Not going to happen.

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                                        grey_maniac@lemmy.ca
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                                        One good thing coming out of this rhetoric is many of us are getting back into full combat fitness.

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                                        • M masterofn001

                                          Just make sure you get a few on the way out.

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                                          rabber@lemmy.ca
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                                          I’m a pro drone pilot so won’t be an issue there

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