I think we’re misunderstanding each other here.

There wasn’t, and everyone knew it. That’s why the NDP got fucked, people strategic voted to keep the Cons out.

If you make them, sure. We have three major parties, and others as well. Of course, people constantly vote “strategically” which is a way they make themselves feel good about voting against their interests. No one would call it strategic voting if it was simply the vote that actually represented them.

The far-right party gets the crazies and racists and whatnot and the center-right party gets the “I have gay friends” centrists and whatever leftists they can scare and/or threaten into voting for them against the far-right party.

Vote for what is closest to your values or just don’t show up because at least then you’re not giving false-positive support for something you don’t want.

Who says I donate and volunteer??? I have never done that for any political party.

Still not an excuse. They were on the ballot, and all we’re doing is kicking the can down the road. The race was way too tight already, next election is going to be rough and the only people we’ll have to defend us are the fucking Liberals.

Vote for the party platform that most closely aligns with your values or don’t show up at all. A vote cast against yourself weakens your representation and strengthens those who don’t give a shit about you after they’ve ripped off your vote.

You’re insisting on an outcome that was not possible. The NDP were not going to achieve any significant power or influence in the previous election. With a handful of exceptional ridings, any vote for the NDP was effectively a vote for Pierre. You may not be happy with that but it is the reality dictated by the electoral facts on the ground and by basic game theory. Insisting otherwise results in people ending up voting against their own interests.

Yea, says who? It’s not a probability thing and our voting system might suck but if they get more votes then they win and that’s the end of it. Vote for whoever aligns with your values or don’t show up and definitely keep your mouth shut when the center-right government that stole your vote starts doing exactly what any dumbass could have predicted they’d do.

The NDP is not currently a recognized party at all, let alone a “major” one. Or are you referring to the Bloc?

Vote for what is closest to your values or just don’t show up

That’s the same picture if you’re an NDP voter in most ridings in the last election. Watch the video, it’s very short and explains the problem quite well.

And a lot of people voted liberal because they reallydidn’t want conservative. The liberals didn’t have to do anything to get this result

I mean a lot of people voted conservative as well, If I’m not mistaken the Liberals were on the brink of losing the election until the orange melon down south started spouting his mouth a month or two prior to the election.

In any case. We did the NDP dirty. They didn’t deserve to lose so many seats. People didn’t give Jagmeet the credit he was due. People were affraid of Trump and thought an establishment bean counter was going to save them.

Also, can you imagine the meltdown that Trump would’ve had if he had to deal with a Sikh prime minister? He’s already freaking out over a muslim mayor in New York.

Think about it. Singh gets elected as prime minster, even with a NDP minority. Imagine the meltdown Trump would have over this. I think this would have forced Canada to make deals with other nations and quickly closed our relationship with the fascist regime down south. We also wouldn’t have had sent weapons, vehicles and parts to Israel because he was a defender of the Palestinian cause and against the genocide. This would have rocked the political world for the best in my opinion.

There were polls suggesting a Conservative super majority. For many NDP voters the risk was just too great. There was a time not long before the election that had the Libs polling so low, and the Cons polling so high even if the NDP kept their seats the Cons would still win majority.

I agree we should vote for the platform we most closely align with, but that said, this election was not a normal one. The US had just broken trade deals and started a trade war while talking annexation. For many, our sovereignty was at stake, and the NDP had no chance of saving us from that.

I’d love the dream too, but it just wasn’t there this time. I’m curious how things would have gone if fascism hadn’t taken root, but it did, and it changed the game for this election.

I voted for them in a historically ndp riding. Now have a liberal representative who lives half an hour away

That’s the same lame excuse every single election. I remember in 2019 when the only ads I ever saw from the Liberals were about how we had to unite against the Conservatives and I remember last week when the same shit was going on in the Montréal municipal elections. It happens all the time and the excuse isn’t worth dirt.

I’m sick and fucking tired of it. If you can’t use your vote responsibly don’t cast it. I would like people to use their power to vote and we know that anyone who says they’re “strategically” voting is well aware of the poison they’re putting in the system and that they know whonthey would otherwise vote for. If they actually deserved to use the word “strategy” they’d know that some things take time and letting another party steal your vote is just reactionary panic and has nothing to do with anything intelligent.

Your vote is your only real voice. If you aren’t going to say what you mean and mean what you say then shut the hell up.

Not anymore. Because we shot them in the face and spat on them after the fact so we get rat-fucked by slightly less dangerous conservatives pretending to be centrists and who are only called the woke left by the far-right because those people have a single, weak braincell between all of them. Congrats, everyone, we’re stupid.

I did watch the video. Yes, people think they’re smart and will vote against themselves because they look at past elections and not at the one they’re actually voting on. Thanks for proving my point that “strategic voting” is stupid as hell and corrupts the system.

There are well-documented instances of this. Republicans supported the Green Party in the 2024 American elections, for example, providing them with legal and consulting aid. Same with independent candidate Cornel Green. This technique relies on people not voting strategically.

I’m sure the Conservative party would have been very happy if the NDP had siphoned some additional votes away from the Liberals in tightly contested ridings.

I understand where you’re coming from but this election did not use the same excuse, or I guess it did but this was the only time it’s really been valid. We were just threatened with annexation by our former ally, the most powerful country on the planet. We’ve never had an election with this much at stake, and voting NDP was literally risking losing our country to the US.

The wolves were quite literally at the gate. We could vote to open it (cons), keep it closed (libs), or work on getting rid of the wolves (ndp). NDP is clearly the best choice in this scenario, but you know full well they’d never get enough support to win, and if too many of us tried, the Cons would win and open the gate.

We need an election where Canadians take a BIG swing for chance to get out of the abusive 2 party cycle we’re in. This was not that election. I’m not arguing that Canadians are completely screwing ourselves every election, we absolutely are. What I am saying though, is given the circumstance voting Lib in the last election was the smart play. The smart play doesn’t always mean good.

Unfortunately, the NDP just weren’t an option this time. If I can’t pay my rent I have options. 1 - get a job/pick up hours at the job I have/get a second job. 2 - Sell things I own to get enough money. 3 - become rich. Although 3 is technically an option in that it is a possibility, the fact that it ain’t gonna happen right now removes it as one. Although all 3 could be possible, for rent this month only 1 and 2 are really options.

PP was not going to let the US annex us as much as he probably cums all over himself thinking about it. Hell even right now his polling is dogshit and if he tried to actually make Canada a 51st state he’d get crucified(if he didn’t then we’d fucking deserve it anyway).

The NDP is only not an option because we say and act like it isn’t. They run plenty of candidates and a vote cast for them is worth the same as a vote cast for anyone else. The Liberal voters could have just as easily “strategically” voted for the NDP but nooo we always have to vote Liberal as the default. That’s fucking stupid as hell and you can’t ignore that fact and expect me to just go “oh right I forgot that this only works in one direction!”

There is nothing strategic about strategic voting. It is only done when the centrists threaten the left, and it only works in one direction. It’s an obvious trap that we fall for every time because no one actually thinks before they do anything. We could change our behaviour so easily.

Did you know that in the election before last, even with all the shit messaging from the Liberals, the NDP got more than half their votes? They HAVE support even if our system meant that the seats weren’t there. Someone admitting that they didn’t look at the numbers with any depth isn’t a gotcha.

I’m sure! But now we just have two conservative parties so go us! Like, we haven’t fixed anything with this brain-dead behaviour, all we’ve done is temporarily made things not quite as bad for the cost of obliterating our representation and further cementing our country as a centrist and right-wing garbage hole. Carney’s government literally tried to make the Air Canada strike illegal for some fucking reason; they don’t care about you and you’re fucking yourself in your own ass with a rusty iron poker while telling everyone how clever you are for doing it.

Congratulations! You’re a big smart hero for voting away your values like a good scared little baby.