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  • I Iunnrais

    That is entirely fair. I only know V:tM from people I knew who played it… but they were, as individuals, definitely more on the fascist side, leaning more into the glamour of being a monster rather than the horror of being a monster.

    I hope more groups and players lean into the horror of it more than the glamour. Maybe this note is trying to encourage that.

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    I think treating inhumanity as horror is pretty fascist. I’m in love with a very sweet monster who hates Nazis, and I’m a big fan of Guillermo del Toro’s movies where humans tend to be more evil than monsters.

    In My experience VTM players trend fascist because the game encourages you to accept the Camarilla’s fascist idolisation of humanity.

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      herr_s_aus_h@lemmy.zip
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      Eat the Reich

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        Isn’t this the game Rod Ferrell (Vampire Clan murderer) was obsessed with? Maybe that’s why fascists like it.

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          Eat the Reich

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          Tar_Alcaran
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          Quite literally, in the case of VTM

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          • starlinguk@lemmy.worldS starlinguk@lemmy.world

            Isn’t this the game Rod Ferrell (Vampire Clan murderer) was obsessed with? Maybe that’s why fascists like it.

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            theeighthdoctor@lemmy.zip
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            Rod Ferrell

            Vesaaaaaaaaago, what a fuckwit ahah

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            • GrailG Grail

              Treating humanity as better than “the beast within” is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because they’re a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.

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              flyby@lemmy.zip
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              I dunno dude, I find “trying to stay human and fight off actively hostile part inside me that was forced upon me” pretty anti-fascist…

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              • T Tar_Alcaran

                Quite literally, in the case of VTM

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                Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.

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                • D 🦄🦄🦄

                  Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.

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                  herr_s_aus_h@lemmy.zip
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                  Yes, I was referencing this game. But aside from the game I love the wordplay on “eat the rich” and both are tenets to live by.

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                  • GrailG Grail

                    Treating humanity as better than “the beast within” is human supremacism, which is fascism. The Camarilla rely on Humanity to protect them from oblivion because they’re a fascist organisation. The Sabbat use the Paths to make peace with the beast within while maintaining their individuality and free will.

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                    squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                    Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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                    • F flyby@lemmy.zip

                      I dunno dude, I find “trying to stay human and fight off actively hostile part inside me that was forced upon me” pretty anti-fascist…

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                      Well I’ve actually lived what you’re describing, I found a part of Myself that was incompatible with humanity. And it was My true identity knocking on the door of My soul asking to be let in. It was My gender and My species. I am not a human. If I had held onto humanity I would have been denying part of Myself. So many budding otherkin and trans people are forced back into the closet by fascists, who look at us and see what you see in VTM. An invasive “woke mind virus” that causes “rapid onset gender dysphoria”.

                      To the man who raised Me, his child is dead and I have killed him. And I say: good. I am a creature of the night, an unholy revenant, the vengeance of the wild. I bring the end of civilisation as these fascists know it. The end of their rotten moral values and their cancerous capitalism. I am a dark goddess of madness and rebirth come to free My people from the human shells the fascists have forced them into. Death to the oppressor. Death to the false self. Death to the old world order.

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                      • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                        Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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                        Grail
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                        I am no human. Tell Me whether you value My life and a human’s equally.

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                        • G greenbeard@lemmy.ca

                          Fascism is what you get when Aristocracy gets a business degree. The difference between a feudal lord and a CEO is non-farm income.

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                          I can’t imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day

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                            I can’t imagine the apathy these people have for human* rights, despite seeing the actions this apathy leads to every day

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                            stray@pawb.social
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                            What does it mean that you’ve put an asterisk next to human? Is it just because of the context of vampires or is there like a broader meaning I’m not familiar with?

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                            • A arbitraryvalue@sh.itjust.works

                              Ah yes, vampires, those symbols of liberalism.

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                              gandalftheblack@feddit.org
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                              I mean, they’re fictional, they can be whatever you want them to be

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                                gladaed@feddit.org
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                                Yes, but I believe you should have either phrased this nice enough to actually affect people or much more aggressive and definitive instead of this rather diplomatic statement.

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                                • thatsnomayo@lemmy.mlT thatsnomayo@lemmy.ml

                                  Nah these games suck and their depiction of indigenous people is completely insane minstrelsy that I feel too ashamed to even describe.

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                                  gladaed@feddit.org
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                                  They depict indigenous people rather fairly, depending on your dm.

                                  Then again indigenous means different things around the globe.

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                                    Maybe I am being whooooshed but just in case: Eat The Reich is a separate RPG where the goal is basically killing as many Nazis as possible as bad ass vampires.

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                                    Tar_Alcaran
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                                    Ah, I did not know that.

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                                      freddieslantern@leminal.space
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                                      Good on them for stating it upfront though. (The mention of “alt-right” indicates a more recent version?).

                                      Back in the 90’s/early 00’s it definitely attracted people both left and right winged.

                                      However from my personal experience right wingers was more prevalent in wargaming compared to rpg’s. (Which really sucked because there you were enjoying a nice back n forth about Warhammer and then out comes the racist nazi talk…)

                                      Games Workshop did good by making a pretty strong statement a while ago. But I’m afraid it’ll always be a thing.

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                                      • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

                                        Tbh, equating anyone who doesn’t value animals at the same level as humans with fascists is pretty misguided and not helpful at all.

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                                        Grail
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                                        I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:

                                        We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.

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                                        • GrailG Grail

                                          I apologise for the aggressive tone of My first reply to you, and will now attempt a more measured response:

                                          We’re talking about fantasy creatures and their equality with humans. I’m a fantasy creature. Denigrating other inhumans is a very slippery slope to denigrating inhuman creatures like Me. I and other members of the otherkin community would prefer to know that you’re an ally.

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                                          squaresinger@lemmy.world
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                                          Depends on whether we are roleplaying right now or talking about real-life here.

                                          If this is role-play, then of course it’s a fun way to explore the effects and implications of racism in a safe and hypothetical way.

                                          If this is real life, then it’s honestly beside the point because transspeciesism isn’t a thing and thus not even a hardcore racist will think you aren’t human just because you fancy thinking of yourself as a unicorn.

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