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What business domains, services, organizations should be nationalized to ensure Canadian sovereignty?

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      Cyborganism
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      I’ll start: Energy. Everything from oil/natural gas extraction, transformation, transportation and sales to nuclear enrichment, nuclear electricity production, hydro electricity production and distribution.

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        Cyborganism
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        Here’s another: mineral extraction and lumber exploitation.

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          wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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          Obviously telecom. We used to own our transatlantic cables, now we barely have one and we don’t own it.

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            hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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            Anything that is considered a utility or necessary for the function of a nation state, including all schooling, health care and other socially important services.

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              sdes01@lemmy.ca
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              Food supply lines.

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                blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                I’m going to give a bit of an odd one here.

                Nobody in Canada should own land other than the federal government.

                All land used by everyone should be leased from them.

                This includes everything from the property with your home on it, to uranium mine, to national parks. Everything.

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                  saigot@lemmy.ca
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                  Loblaws and subsidiaries

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                    I’m going to give a bit of an odd one here.

                    Nobody in Canada should own land other than the federal government.

                    All land used by everyone should be leased from them.

                    This includes everything from the property with your home on it, to uranium mine, to national parks. Everything.

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                    subscript5676@lemmy.ca
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                    And then we attract pricks into the federal government who ignore rules and they evict everyone overnight so that they can build a resort for themselves.

                    Look, I get the sentiment, but this sort of centralization is scary.

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                      Loblaws and subsidiaries

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                      Cyborganism
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                      How about subsidized grocery COOPs? Would that work?

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                        Food supply lines.

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                        Cyborganism
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                        Yeah, I read in some other thread that the Canadian wheat board was Saudi owned. Here’s a source that confirms it. And of course it was Harper’s doing. This is essentially what made me ask this question here.

                        Food production and distribution should absolutely be owned by Canada. It’s insane that something so fundamentally important is at the mercy of foreiegn interests, especially those with whom we are now in a trade war.

                        How nobody did anything about this the entire time the Liberals were in power, and especially now, is mind boggling.

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                        • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                          I’m going to give a bit of an odd one here.

                          Nobody in Canada should own land other than the federal government.

                          All land used by everyone should be leased from them.

                          This includes everything from the property with your home on it, to uranium mine, to national parks. Everything.

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                          grte@lemmy.ca
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                          100% agree. Private, inheritable land ownership in the context of a population that doesn’t all enter the game at the same time with the same resources available to them is inherently unjustifiable.

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                            Obviously telecom. We used to own our transatlantic cables, now we barely have one and we don’t own it.

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                            Cyborganism
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                            That’s a very good point. Telecom infrastructure is so important. And because it’s privately owned, it’s not extended to every corner of Canada or in communities in far regions. We rely on things like Musk’s Starling to bring internet to northern communities.

                            When electricity was made public in Québec under René Levesque with Hydro Québec, the broken down private electricity production and distribution networks were fixed, updated and expanded across the province. It’s become the pride of Québec and a god damn good example of how these essential services need to be provided.

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                            • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                              I’m going to give a bit of an odd one here.

                              Nobody in Canada should own land other than the federal government.

                              All land used by everyone should be leased from them.

                              This includes everything from the property with your home on it, to uranium mine, to national parks. Everything.

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                              Cyborganism
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                              Eeeh… I dunno. I kind of disagree with that one. I think it’s important to allow people to own their own piece of land. Otherwise everyone can risk being evicted from their home by the government and I don’t like that idea.

                              Limiting how much land people can own though… Like how many residential properties. That I could go for.

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                                Anything that is considered a utility or necessary for the function of a nation state, including all schooling, health care and other socially important services.

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                                Cyborganism
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                                Isn’t that already the case though? Aren’t hospitals and schools mostly public except for a few private ones?

                                Maybe make them ALL public and forbid any private for-profit health care and education facilities. This will force the more priviledged to invest in that system if they want the best service for themselves and their children.

                                Didn’t some Scandinavian country do this already?

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                                  Obviously telecom. We used to own our transatlantic cables, now we barely have one and we don’t own it.

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                                  1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                                  bring back nortel! oh wait…

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                                  • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                                    I’m going to give a bit of an odd one here.

                                    Nobody in Canada should own land other than the federal government.

                                    All land used by everyone should be leased from them.

                                    This includes everything from the property with your home on it, to uranium mine, to national parks. Everything.

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                                    1985mustangcobra@lemmy.ca
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                                    lol people would go wild if that was even muttered on the news

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                                      Isn’t that already the case though? Aren’t hospitals and schools mostly public except for a few private ones?

                                      Maybe make them ALL public and forbid any private for-profit health care and education facilities. This will force the more priviledged to invest in that system if they want the best service for themselves and their children.

                                      Didn’t some Scandinavian country do this already?

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                                      hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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                                      How I read the question is what should be nationalised, not what else should be.

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                                        Eeeh… I dunno. I kind of disagree with that one. I think it’s important to allow people to own their own piece of land. Otherwise everyone can risk being evicted from their home by the government and I don’t like that idea.

                                        Limiting how much land people can own though… Like how many residential properties. That I could go for.

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                                        blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                                        “everyone can risk being evicted from their home by the government”

                                        A) The government already has a tool to do that, in Canada it’s called “expropriation” and they happen fairly regularly.

                                        B) That’s actually a feature of this system. People buying up land and never leaving is actually one of the major problems with our current real estate prices. In areas of high demand, if the government just terminated leases and then forced those properties to be developed we wouldn’t have the pricing issues we have now. Does this hurt people? yes, but also not nearly as much. Given that property would be much more affordable under such a scheme moving elsewhere wouldn’t be nearly as difficult.

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                                          lol people would go wild if that was even muttered on the news

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                                          blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                                          I agree, but it needs to still be talked about.

                                          People still think we can build our way into affordable homes, which is impossible. Alternatives like this would actually deliver affordable housing, but you’re right that a lot of people would be unhappy about it.

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