Damn never seen a sober man so confidently wrong on something so straight forward.

Every game iv bought on steam doesn’t require the client to launch expect for one. So not sure how well that point checks out…

That is not true. Valve requires that you do not sell your games cheaper on other platforms, hindering competition.

They are a monopoly 100%, just believe me bro.

I think so too, but they are a fairly small company/group with a stable (50+%) owner & basically don’t bother with much (neither publisher or consumer side). Eg GOG is smaller but fights DRM a lot more actively (and achieving DRM-free deals even before Steam).

I hope before Gabe goes Gaben’t he makes Valve a proper nonprofit - bcs the service they offer is like a mass infrastructure thing (which are always scary).

As to why devs think they have a monopoly - it’s hard to succeeded without Steam, especially if you arent a AAA studio (and even a small mistake on Steam part for their game’s visibility on Steam Store can cost them everything), and Steam isn’t really fighting over devs to offer them a better deal than the competition, it’s the other way around (it’s clear who has the power).

So yes, they have quite a fair bit of monopoly.
Modern, especially tech, monopolies aren’t a single-provider-locked-in type of thing, look at Google, they hold a monopoly over so many markets without those prerequisites. And they fought, shaped the markets intentionally to eventually get to that position (that’s why they were valued that high even before the revenue kicked in).

That applies if you’re selling steam keys, it does not mean that steam has to be the cheapest platform at all times

I guess then MS doesn’t have an OS monopoly, because you can not only buy an Apple computer, but also install Linux.

That has never been true.

You can even “buy” open source software on Steam that is available free from the home website.

You’re referring to the case with the developers of Lugaru, and they’ve been doing a great job of painting their fuckup as Valve barring platform competition.

Um… Yeah. Microsoft absolutely doesn’t have an OS monopoly, as much as they’re trying.

This is exactly why it’s important for people to learn about how capitalism functions instead of how to identify morally condemnable behaviour. A liberal with think Steam is fine so long as they remain “horizontally” organized and Gaben remains the special boi he is, but will only be bad if it the company gets “greedy.” There is no benefit to PC game distribution being controlled privately; any media distribution.

If you are interested, I provided a pretty comprehensive list of definitions of a monopoly below, which steam neatly fits into!

Or do you want me to believe steam 100% isn’t, just believe me bro.

Yea, it’s pretty rough for tattorack, but that’s what happens when you ignore definitions and argue in bad faith. They ignore all contrary evidence and definitions, and insit their made up definition is accurate.

/Shrug, some people just aren’t open to discussion .

Steam does a lot of shitty things — including using gambling mechanics on kids and failing to moderate the neo-nazi clubhouse that are their forums — but they are not a monopoly and do not behave in a monopolistic or anticompetitive manner whatsoever. Their success and market share is genuinely earned on merits.

Personally, I would prefer GOG, but many games don’t release there, or release there much later. Epic could compete, but their heart is clearly not in it as they refuse to give customers features they want out of a platform and do engage in anticompetitive practices.

I think the issue is, that if we’re going to call steam a monopoly (and maybe they are), then we’ve got to call Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo monopolies.

What I don’t want to see is legal attacks against steam while letting worse behavior off the hook.

YouTube university where you don’t need the attention span for reading

Ehh, steam only is in the PC gaming market

In the console market, you do have 3 primary competitors, be that Microsoft, PlayStation, and Nintendo.

In the whole gaming market maybe steam doesn’t have a Monopoly, but within the PC marketplace…

Most criticism of valve on Lemmy reads like blatant shilling.

I mean, the issue is these lines aren’t as concrete anymore. Is the Ps5 a console or a locked down pc?

Hell, this is probably controversial, but Apple and Google actually have the monopoly on PC gaming. Android and Ios make the most money out of any gaming ecosystem.

Shilling for whom?