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YongYea; Execs Stupidly Claim Steam Has A Monopoly And Get Mocked...

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  • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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    ziltoid1991@lemmy.world
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    I guess then MS doesn’t have an OS monopoly, because you can not only buy an Apple computer, but also install Linux.

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    • F faint_marble_noise@programming.dev

      That is not true. Valve requires that you do not sell your games cheaper on other platforms, hindering competition.

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      tattorack@lemmy.world
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      That has never been true.

      You can even “buy” open source software on Steam that is available free from the home website.

      You’re referring to the case with the developers of Lugaru, and they’ve been doing a great job of painting their fuckup as Valve barring platform competition.

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      • Z ziltoid1991@lemmy.world

        I guess then MS doesn’t have an OS monopoly, because you can not only buy an Apple computer, but also install Linux.

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        tattorack@lemmy.world
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        Um… Yeah. Microsoft absolutely doesn’t have an OS monopoly, as much as they’re trying.

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        • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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          orioler25@lemmy.ca
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          This is exactly why it’s important for people to learn about how capitalism functions instead of how to identify morally condemnable behaviour. A liberal with think Steam is fine so long as they remain “horizontally” organized and Gaben remains the special boi he is, but will only be bad if it the company gets “greedy.” There is no benefit to PC game distribution being controlled privately; any media distribution.

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          • R regdog@lemmy.world

            They are a monopoly 100%, just believe me bro.

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            canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca
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            #82

            If you are interested, I provided a pretty comprehensive list of definitions of a monopoly below, which steam neatly fits into!

            Or do you want me to believe steam 100% isn’t, just believe me bro.

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            • H holytimes@sh.itjust.works

              Damn never seen a sober man so confidently wrong on something so straight forward.

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              canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca
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              #83

              Yea, it’s pretty rough for tattorack, but that’s what happens when you ignore definitions and argue in bad faith. They ignore all contrary evidence and definitions, and insit their made up definition is accurate.

              /Shrug, some people just aren’t open to discussion .

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              • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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                blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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                #84

                Steam does a lot of shitty things — including using gambling mechanics on kids and failing to moderate the neo-nazi clubhouse that are their forums — but they are not a monopoly and do not behave in a monopolistic or anticompetitive manner whatsoever. Their success and market share is genuinely earned on merits.

                Personally, I would prefer GOG, but many games don’t release there, or release there much later. Epic could compete, but their heart is clearly not in it as they refuse to give customers features they want out of a platform and do engage in anticompetitive practices.

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                • S shaggysnacks@lemmy.myserv.one

                  Technically, Lemmy was a person.

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                  akanes@startrek.website
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                  • C canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca

                    Steam is 100% a monopoly, they just happen to be a benevolent monopoly… but like all, that can change.

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                    jacksilver@lemmy.world
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                    I think the issue is, that if we’re going to call steam a monopoly (and maybe they are), then we’ve got to call Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo monopolies.

                    What I don’t want to see is legal attacks against steam while letting worse behavior off the hook.

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                    • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                      I have 3 degrees

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                      commander@lemmy.world
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                      YouTube university where you don’t need the attention span for reading

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                      • J jacksilver@lemmy.world

                        I think the issue is, that if we’re going to call steam a monopoly (and maybe they are), then we’ve got to call Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo monopolies.

                        What I don’t want to see is legal attacks against steam while letting worse behavior off the hook.

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                        canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca
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                        Ehh, steam only is in the PC gaming market

                        In the console market, you do have 3 primary competitors, be that Microsoft, PlayStation, and Nintendo.

                        In the whole gaming market maybe steam doesn’t have a Monopoly, but within the PC marketplace…

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                        • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                          Given how anti capitalist Lenny is purported to be I’m surprised how vehemently valve gets defended. There’s no good billionaire

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                          ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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                          Most criticism of valve on Lemmy reads like blatant shilling.

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                          • C canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca

                            Ehh, steam only is in the PC gaming market

                            In the console market, you do have 3 primary competitors, be that Microsoft, PlayStation, and Nintendo.

                            In the whole gaming market maybe steam doesn’t have a Monopoly, but within the PC marketplace…

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                            jacksilver@lemmy.world
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                            I mean, the issue is these lines aren’t as concrete anymore. Is the Ps5 a console or a locked down pc?

                            Hell, this is probably controversial, but Apple and Google actually have the monopoly on PC gaming. Android and Ios make the most money out of any gaming ecosystem.

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                            • R ryathal@sh.itjust.works

                              Most criticism of valve on Lemmy reads like blatant shilling.

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                              graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip
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                              Shilling for whom?

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                              • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                                I mean… There are so many games that use Nexus as their preferred platform. And for older games Mod.db is still king.

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                                zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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                                Didn’t forget loverslab

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                                • M monkdervierte@lemmy.zip

                                  Not on games per se but almost on mods. Yes, there are other platforms, but the majory and newest are on Workshop. And they make it hard to download them, if you don’t own the game on Steam (and Valve has it in their terms that they own the mods hosted on Workshop).

                                  So one could argue that they use the indirect peer-pressure approach to market dominance, similiar to Google on Android.

                                  I wouldn’t complain if they just had a “Download” button on their web version. But they don’t, you have to use the finicky steamcmd intended for server administration.

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                                  zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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                                  Workshop is kinda shit, I don’t even bother looking there. Just Google mods which 90% of the time winds up being Nexus

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                                  • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

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                                    imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    If we call Steam a monopoly, then we also shall name Nestle a monopoly.

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                                    • F faint_marble_noise@programming.dev

                                      That is not true. Valve requires that you do not sell your games cheaper on other platforms, hindering competition.

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                                      No, they don’t want you selling Steam keys for cheap on other platforms.

                                      Valve actually doesn’t earn anything from steam key sales. They don’t take the 30% cut on those, only on sales made in the Steam store. The only requirement Valve puts up is that you don’t start selling these steam keys (which are provided for free) cheaper than you can purchase the game in the Steam store.

                                      I don’t see that hindering competition at all. It basically allows other marketplaces to sell Steam games, enabling competition in the first place.

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                                      • G graveyardorbit@lemmy.zip

                                        Shilling for whom?

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                                        tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                        Other corpos who cry about Valve providing a good service.

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                                        • C canadiancorhen@lemmy.ca

                                          If you are interested, I provided a pretty comprehensive list of definitions of a monopoly below, which steam neatly fits into!

                                          Or do you want me to believe steam 100% isn’t, just believe me bro.

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                                          tattorack@lemmy.world
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                                          You mean those same “comprehensive” definitions that failed with my argument?

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