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China will remove canola tariffs if Canada scraps EV levies: ambassador

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  • P penguintd@lemmy.ca

    This is exactly the mentality that caused WW1 and WW2 AND the upcoming (or ongoing) WW3. You probably did not aware how many IP theft happened to Canadian local firms and institutions.

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    krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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    Not only am I not aware, I also don’t care.

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    • Nik282000N Nik282000

      Sure there are some human rights issues

      They only kill people I don’t care about in mines and factories, so it’s cool!

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      krooklochurm@lemmy.ca
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      My point is more that there are few countries I can think of that are viable trading partners that aren’t committing appalling human rights abuses Joe.

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      • Nik282000N Nik282000

        This is possible with most modern vehicles today. They nearly all have cellular modems built in and very few have the driving related systems separated from the ‘infotainment’ crapware. 2014ish jeeps could be bricked by OTA updates to the fucking radio, there’s a good Defcon talk about it

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        blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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        Yes, but I’d much rather have the company controlling the official switch not be directly under the control of China.

        The US is only marginally better right now, but they have less incentive to do it and less control of their car companies.

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        • Nik282000N Nik282000

          There are a few good defcon talks where it has been shown that the engine control and body control can be accessed and modified via the “infotainment” system (the one I saw specifically was Jeeps).

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          clearwater@lemmy.world
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          #60

          Once you’re inside a car that’s on, there really isn’t any security*. The OBD2 port that every remotely modern car has is perfectly capable of accessing all the diagnostics and data streams the car has, and can also control/reconfigure the various computers.

          IMO that doesn’t really matter, since the system isn’t powered until the key is in the ignition and the car turned on. You can’t do anything with the key off, and if your passenger wanted to sabotage the car, they’d just yank the wheel as you drive down the highway.

          That said, yes OTA updates are a travesty. Specifically because cars have so little security, having any access to their computers from the outside is a massive risk… And if there’s a potential that the country the manufacturer is in turns hostile, that risk certainly isn’t reduced.

          * A handful of manufacturers have “added” security to their systems by… (drumroll pls) restricting access to the systems and requiring a subscription for full access. That’s fucking evil and doesn’t even do anything (at least for a mechanic or tinkerer like me) since you can just google “FCA bypass cable” and skip right past the firewall.

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          • I indridcold@lemmy.ca
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            corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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            The timing seems suspicious. Crops are sold already, with tariffs, and now it’s 11 months with no sales.

            Come back in 9 months and we can talk.

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            • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

              Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I’m guessing it’s non-zero.

              I’d love to see canola embargoes open because I have a bunch of bins full, but is this fair to other vendors, domestic and other foreign makers?

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              humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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              #62

              Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I’m guessing it’s non-zero.

              Probably less than our subsidies.

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              • Nik282000N Nik282000

                Hey, remember when China was operating their own police force in Canada? Maybe we should be doing less business with them.

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                nucleative@lemmy.world
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                Send some mounties to Beijing

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                • D donkmagnum@lemy.lol

                  Wanna see a trick? I can make bots appear, watch this:

                  Maybe if China agrees to stop being a threat to Taiwan, stops interfering in our politics, and stops spying on us, and builds some auto plants here to employ some Canadians, we can talk about their fucking EVs. Until then, we already have one international bully as a trade partner, we don’t need more.

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                  packet@lemmy.ml
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                  “Threat to Taiwan” they are a threat to each other, Taiwan claims the whole of China, PRC claims the whole of China as well.

                  “Interfering in our politics” sinophobic, but even then the US presents a much bigger threat. I don’t really think there is much interventionism done by the PRC troughout its history lol

                  “Stops spying on us” US giggles lol

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                  • Nik282000N Nik282000

                    Hey, remember when China was operating their own police force in Canada? Maybe we should be doing less business with them.

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                    savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                    #65

                    You really want an isolationist economy like the USA?

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                    • P penguintd@lemmy.ca

                      This is exactly the mentality that caused WW1 and WW2 AND the upcoming (or ongoing) WW3. You probably did not aware how many IP theft happened to Canadian local firms and institutions.

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                      savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                      #66

                      What IP? How to dig holes with oxycontin addicts? Hilarious, Canada spends fuck all in R&D.

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                      • Rose56R Rose56

                        It’s not like Chinese EV’s are bad, but they have started a war to overtake EV industry.
                        Their government is founding EV companies, to advance and take the lead, putting at risk companies like Ford, BMW and so on.

                        I sawthis video, and I saw how they have managed to change battery instead of charging the car, and I was impressed of what they can actually do.

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                        savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                        Battery swapping is now redundant with newer cheaper sodium based batteries. They can now make a 100kwhr pack for $10,000, down 90% from ten years ago.

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                        • P penguintd@lemmy.ca

                          It’s a serious security hole cause the software can be updated through network, the version gets audit and all the follow up update can be good, but the moment it needs to go rogue you just need 1 malicious update to have serious and wide spread harm/attack on a button.

                          IMO for any vehicles to allow over the network update is beyond stupid. (yes, that includes Tesla.)

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                          hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                          Hey kinda like the F-35

                          It’s fine though when the Americans do it do is.

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                          • packet@lemmy.mlP packet@lemmy.ml

                            “Threat to Taiwan” they are a threat to each other, Taiwan claims the whole of China, PRC claims the whole of China as well.

                            “Interfering in our politics” sinophobic, but even then the US presents a much bigger threat. I don’t really think there is much interventionism done by the PRC troughout its history lol

                            “Stops spying on us” US giggles lol

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                            donkmagnum@lemy.lol
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                            These are all blatant lies, but thanks for proving me right, bot.

                            Btw, native English speakers don’t write things like “giggles”.

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                            • H humanspiral@lemmy.ca

                              Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I’m guessing it’s non-zero.

                              Probably less than our subsidies.

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                              ikidd@lemmy.world
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                              Probably not.

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                              • Nik282000N Nik282000

                                There are a few good defcon talks where it has been shown that the engine control and body control can be accessed and modified via the “infotainment” system (the one I saw specifically was Jeeps).

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                                floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                                This happened for real at the weekend:

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                                Software update bricks some Jeep 4xe hybrids over the weekend

                                Jeep has pulled the update; owners are advised to ignore it if it already downloaded.

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                                Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)

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                                • D donkmagnum@lemy.lol

                                  These are all blatant lies, but thanks for proving me right, bot.

                                  Btw, native English speakers don’t write things like “giggles”.

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                                  packet@lemmy.ml
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #72

                                  Beep bop I am a bot, come here to destroy your beautiful country, we are the horror of the white nations. And are you seriously profiling people for using “giggles”, lmao when will you bring out your skull ruler?

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                                  • packet@lemmy.mlP packet@lemmy.ml

                                    Beep bop I am a bot, come here to destroy your beautiful country, we are the horror of the white nations. And are you seriously profiling people for using “giggles”, lmao when will you bring out your skull ruler?

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                                    donkmagnum@lemy.lol
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                                      packet@lemmy.ml
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                                      Nice racism you got there buddy

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                                      • packet@lemmy.mlP packet@lemmy.ml

                                        Nice racism you got there buddy

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                                        donkmagnum@lemy.lol
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                                        Nothing racist about Winnie the Pooh, he is cuddly and stuffed with fluff!

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                                        Human rights in China - Wikipedia

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                                        (en.wikipedia.org)

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                                        • D donkmagnum@lemy.lol

                                          These are all blatant lies, but thanks for proving me right, bot.

                                          Btw, native English speakers don’t write things like “giggles”.

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                                          Arthur Besse
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                                          #76

                                          These are all blatant lies

                                          The comment you’re replying to contains an opinion, two statements of fact, two more opinions, an historical assessment couched in “i don’t really think”, and finally closes with giggles and lol.

                                          I don’t see any lies there; if you think the factual claims in it are wrong I encourage you to read up: the PRC and ROC actually do both claim all of China, and the PRC’s foreign policy is largely non-interventionist.

                                          thanks for proving me right, bot

                                          Do you find many people online with opinions differing from your own who you don’t think are bots?

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