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China will remove canola tariffs if Canada scraps EV levies: ambassador

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  • Nik282000N Nik282000

    Modern cars expose the engine/body control CAN bus through the fucking headlights. You don’t need to be in the car and it doesn’t need to be on for you to have the same or more access than the OBDII port.

    It doesn’t matter what the country of origin is, someone is gonna find a way to break OTA updates, gain access via exposed wireless networks or just pop off a CAN bus controlled light and plug in. How long before someone pushes a malicious update that causes the ABS to disable or degrade braking to near 0%, or just throw the electronic power steering full left whenever the speed exceeds 101km/h?

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    programmingsocks@pawb.social
    wrote on last edited by programmingsocks@pawb.social
    #87

    But that would be silly, because the easiest way to kill someone without consequence is to get behind the wheel and run them over. People could also be putting bombs in product boxes and poison in medicine. A coherent society doesn’t have these problems.

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    • Rose56R Rose56

      It’s not like Chinese EV’s are bad, but they have started a war to overtake EV industry.
      Their government is founding EV companies, to advance and take the lead, putting at risk companies like Ford, BMW and so on.

      I sawthis video, and I saw how they have managed to change battery instead of charging the car, and I was impressed of what they can actually do.

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      indridcold@lemmy.ca
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      #88

      I don’t think China even needed to work hard to take the lead. US car companies have been fighting EV manufacture for years. The few EVs they do put out are crippled to make them less viable for the average American market. They do this to push more HUGE trucks that slurp gas.

      US car companies refuse to work outside what they know. Fuck um. They need to die.

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      • Nik282000N Nik282000

        Modern cars expose the engine/body control CAN bus through the fucking headlights. You don’t need to be in the car and it doesn’t need to be on for you to have the same or more access than the OBDII port.

        It doesn’t matter what the country of origin is, someone is gonna find a way to break OTA updates, gain access via exposed wireless networks or just pop off a CAN bus controlled light and plug in. How long before someone pushes a malicious update that causes the ABS to disable or degrade braking to near 0%, or just throw the electronic power steering full left whenever the speed exceeds 101km/h?

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        lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
        wrote on last edited by lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
        #89

        Only Toyota was dumb enough to have a CAN bus run to the headlights. Edit: and use the same bus the keyless system runs on.

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        • P programmingsocks@pawb.social

          But that would be silly, because the easiest way to kill someone without consequence is to get behind the wheel and run them over. People could also be putting bombs in product boxes and poison in medicine. A coherent society doesn’t have these problems.

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          Nik282000
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          #90

          Forgot about wanacrypt, stuxnet or the Ashley Madison breach? indiscriminate harm is the norm not the exception.

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          • lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.caL lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca

            Only Toyota was dumb enough to have a CAN bus run to the headlights. Edit: and use the same bus the keyless system runs on.

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            Nik282000
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            #91

            It’s in dodge vehicles now, the other manufactures will follow soon. It saves a fuck ton of wising when you only need to run a single power wire and data bus to each light cluster instead of power for high beams, low beams, fog lights, indicators and vanity wank lights.

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            • Nik282000N Nik282000

              It’s in dodge vehicles now, the other manufactures will follow soon. It saves a fuck ton of wising when you only need to run a single power wire and data bus to each light cluster instead of power for high beams, low beams, fog lights, indicators and vanity wank lights.

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              lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
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              #92

              Yes, but it is a different CAN bus than anything critical to the operation of the powertrain. A typical BMW will have five or six different, and completely separate, CAN bus.

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              • lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.caL lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca

                Yes, but it is a different CAN bus than anything critical to the operation of the powertrain. A typical BMW will have five or six different, and completely separate, CAN bus.

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                Nik282000
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                #93

                And bmw makes up 3% of the north american market. The big players will continue to cut corners and crank out cars with minimal or non-existant security. Not that it matters, manufactures are bricking their own products: https://www.thestack.technology/jeep-software-update-bricks-vehicles-leaves-owners-stranded/

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                • Nik282000N Nik282000

                  And bmw makes up 3% of the north american market. The big players will continue to cut corners and crank out cars with minimal or non-existant security. Not that it matters, manufactures are bricking their own products: https://www.thestack.technology/jeep-software-update-bricks-vehicles-leaves-owners-stranded/

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                  lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
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                  #94

                  BMW is the largest US exporter of vehicles.

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                  • Nik282000N Nik282000

                    Forgot about wanacrypt, stuxnet or the Ashley Madison breach? indiscriminate harm is the norm not the exception.

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                    programmingsocks@pawb.social
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                    #95

                    Let me say it this way, you propose some convoluted technological way to fuck with someone’s car, but you can already just go under and start cutting vital lines. But again, that’s extremely rare because most people aren’t inclined to doing that kind of harm.

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                    • P programmingsocks@pawb.social

                      Let me say it this way, you propose some convoluted technological way to fuck with someone’s car, but you can already just go under and start cutting vital lines. But again, that’s extremely rare because most people aren’t inclined to doing that kind of harm.

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                      Nik282000
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                      #96

                      Do you lock your door? Why, people don’t just go into other people’s houses, they’re not inclined to do so.

                      The point is having vehicles vulnerable to such trivial abuse is unacceptable. It only takes one cunt who decides that he wants to randsomeware every Toyota in the world to spoil the party.

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