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"Level Is More Than Just a Number." (Art by Sebastian Leverette)

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  • S Sai Somsphet

    And this is why my next character is gonna be Steve the fisherman. Been spear fishing his whole life. That’s it. That’s his backstory. He carries a spear.

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    positivewhat@lemmy.world
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    And that’s the campaign where you start at level 12, lol

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    • T Tar_Alcaran

      Hence the number one rule: cool stuff should be done in the game, not your backstory.

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      ayutsukasa@lemmy.zip
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      Or just start the campaign at a higher level.

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        monkdervierte@lemmy.zip
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        That was obvious. Why would a dragon need a sword to kill a maiden?

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        • S Sai Somsphet

          And this is why my next character is gonna be Steve the fisherman. Been spear fishing his whole life. That’s it. That’s his backstory. He carries a spear.

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          quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world
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          And to explain why D&D characters miss half the time, you can just say he was unnecessarily ‘correcting’ for water refraction still.

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            Kichae
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            I’ve become increasingly convinced that people don’t want to play low level characters. Level 1 characters are neophyte adventurers. Their backstory shouldn’t include significant a mounts of adventure, combat, or heroics, because it introduces a significant amount of ludo-narrative dissonance into the campaign.

            Unless there’s a reason they’ve been de-leveled.

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            • DacoTacoD DacoTaco

              I thought it was im the rule book that players should do so. If i have an epic backstory im playing and ancient old fart that has not battled in centuries and is not used to it anymore

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              spittingimage@lemmy.world
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              One of the most fun characters I’ve played was a broken-down elite super-science soldier who was so addled by basilisk memes and psychotronic warfare that he needed his intelligent gun to remind him where he was every ten minutes.

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                jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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                Yep. Feel like we just had some posts about this. People who write that kind of backstory should just write a book. It’s especially bad in games like D&D where you’re starting out as a level 1 nobody. Some games, even some games of D&D, start at higher power levels, so the story is at least mechanically plausible.

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                • KichaeK Kichae

                  I’ve become increasingly convinced that people don’t want to play low level characters. Level 1 characters are neophyte adventurers. Their backstory shouldn’t include significant a mounts of adventure, combat, or heroics, because it introduces a significant amount of ludo-narrative dissonance into the campaign.

                  Unless there’s a reason they’ve been de-leveled.

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                  ensignwashout@startrek.website
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                  Yes. That’s one reason that the Fate system basically disallows characters ever being low level. Low level starts aren’t actually particularly fun, and they can prevent characters from having diverse epic shared backstory.

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                  • T Tar_Alcaran

                    Hence the number one rule: cool stuff should be done in the game, not your backstory.

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                    ensignwashout@startrek.website
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                    Hence the number one rule: cool stuff should be done in the game, not your backstory.

                    I prefer Fate, where the rules practically require having cool stuff in each character’s back story.

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                    • E ensignwashout@startrek.website

                      Yes. That’s one reason that the Fate system basically disallows characters ever being low level. Low level starts aren’t actually particularly fun, and they can prevent characters from having diverse epic shared backstory.

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                      ensignwashout@startrek.website I don’t know, zero-to-hero is one of the best story tropes out there. Totally nullifying it seems kind of wild to me. But you have to know who you’re playing, and if you’re playing a highly skilled veteran with a rich history of great deeds, you need to understand that that is not a Level 1 character.

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                      • KichaeK Kichae

                        I’ve become increasingly convinced that people don’t want to play low level characters. Level 1 characters are neophyte adventurers. Their backstory shouldn’t include significant a mounts of adventure, combat, or heroics, because it introduces a significant amount of ludo-narrative dissonance into the campaign.

                        Unless there’s a reason they’ve been de-leveled.

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                        empathicvagrant@lemmy.world
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                        The only time I ever loved an OP backstory for a lv1 was a friend who was a great mage of death and destruction who destroyed anything deemed beautiful out of hatred.

                        A witch turned him into a diamond, and his necromancy (somehow) allowed him to possess whomever held the diamond.

                        He was a goblin for 3 levels and then a wolf ate him and the diamond so we had a pet dog for awhile basically.

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                        • E empathicvagrant@lemmy.world

                          The only time I ever loved an OP backstory for a lv1 was a friend who was a great mage of death and destruction who destroyed anything deemed beautiful out of hatred.

                          A witch turned him into a diamond, and his necromancy (somehow) allowed him to possess whomever held the diamond.

                          He was a goblin for 3 levels and then a wolf ate him and the diamond so we had a pet dog for awhile basically.

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                          dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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                          Possession is a Ghost (the specific monster) ability that works on contact, pretty standard Necromancy shenanigans to imitate undead abilities.

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                          • E ensignwashout@startrek.website

                            Yes. That’s one reason that the Fate system basically disallows characters ever being low level. Low level starts aren’t actually particularly fun, and they can prevent characters from having diverse epic shared backstory.

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                            xm34@feddit.org
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                            Counterpoint: I love rugged nobody adventurer types. I love the point in the campaign when you still have to use your brain to solve problems and when wild animals still pose a significant threat. This may be one of the reasons I stopped playing DnD altogether.

                            It’s not fun at low levels because your characters have absolutely no skills whatsoever and it sucks at high levels because over time you only get a bunch of instant-problem-solvers like Tiny Hut, Fly and Teleport.

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                            • E empathicvagrant@lemmy.world

                              The only time I ever loved an OP backstory for a lv1 was a friend who was a great mage of death and destruction who destroyed anything deemed beautiful out of hatred.

                              A witch turned him into a diamond, and his necromancy (somehow) allowed him to possess whomever held the diamond.

                              He was a goblin for 3 levels and then a wolf ate him and the diamond so we had a pet dog for awhile basically.

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                              empathicvagrant@lemmy.world Backstory is probably the wrong concept for a low-level character. They, instead, have a background. Backstories are prequel fodder, while backgrounds are used to figure out character motivation, and how a character reacts to future events.

                              Generally speaking, you don’t want to fill in blanks you don’t need filled i, because it’s creatively limiting your future self. If the events that got you to Session 1 are too interesting, you’ve probably written too much.

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