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"I don't want Politics in my Gaming!"

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  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

    Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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    iww4@lemmy.zip
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    You can assign politics to anything, so it really up to you to bring that in.

    If you are going to allow yourself to get testicular torsion over a gender swapped character or having to play a character that is not your gender, than enjoy yourself.

    Over all I do agree with you. When I play it is to unwind and not think about anything other than the electronic challenges in front of me or the mindless grind, whatever I am in the mood for.

    Incidently that is one of the many things I loved about GOW 2018. You could go do the puzzles and combat or you could just go grind to your hearts content.

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      When I say “I don’t want politics in my gaming,” I mean it literally.

      Like, I don’t care for the Star Wars prequels because they spend a lotta time just doing politics instead of space battles.

      I don’t wanna sit through boring ass senate sessions listening to motions and passing votes. I wanna blow shit up!

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      susaga@sh.itjust.works
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      So, you want less bureaucracy and more warfare? That’s a pretty bold political statement right there. I’m sure there’s nothing political about war.

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      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

        Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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        Do the world and yourself a favor, and use this template instead.

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        • E Ech

          This douchebag isn’t exactly the most appropriate for this meme.

          *First draft was the op crowder meme. Good on op for updating it.

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          darohan@lemmy.zip
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          This comment is really funny now that OP is using the new format, please leave it up.

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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            xm34@feddit.org
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            Agreed. And there’s nothing wrong with that. There’s a big difference between playing a gay character and derailing the entire campaign because you choose to lead a gay rights movement while the world is being overrun by the demon king’s hordes.

            I don’t care about the former and have done so myself, but I’ll boot you from my table for the later. Not because I’m against gay rights, but because that’s not the kind of story I’m interested in DMing and you’re free to find a DM who’s interested in this storyline, but you won’t take my campaign and players hostage for your narcissistic urge for self-promotion!

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            • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

              So, you want less bureaucracy and more warfare? That’s a pretty bold political statement right there. I’m sure there’s nothing political about war.

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              Imagine if you had to file paperwork for every demon killed in Doom. You’d practically never be killing demons after the first level because of all fhe paperwork from all the demons you killed in the first level!

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              • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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                • E Ech

                  This douchebag isn’t exactly the most appropriate for this meme.

                  *First draft was the op crowder meme. Good on op for updating it.

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                  aeronmelon@lemmy.world
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                  I came here after the edit and got scared that Watterson did something.

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                  • B Bobbysaurus

                    I feel like a lot of people, who complain about politics in gaming are not choosing to examine/not examine the political assumptions, they are simply not realising that they’re there. Often these themes reside deeper in the storytelling so you have to actually engage with it to be aware of them. People who complain about it only choose a handful of topics to be mad about, because they are against it.

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                    xm34@feddit.org
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                    That may be the case for some people, but a lot of people just want some good lighthearted fun without any of the real world implications attached to it. This obviously doesn’t excuse bigoted mindsets. I’m talking about campaigns where me and my players just want to do some good old goblin slaying without the need for anyone to chime in with a “UM actshually those goblins have families too”.

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                    • E Ech

                      This douchebag isn’t exactly the most appropriate for this meme.

                      *First draft was the op crowder meme. Good on op for updating it.

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                      its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                      He changed it to Calvin, but this comment is hilarious now.

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                      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                        Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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                        4am@lemmy.zip
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                        “I don’t want politics in my gaming” = “I stopped growing, emotionally, the first time I saw Jugga in Conker’s Bad Fur Day”

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                        • Jo MiranJ Jo Miran

                          Do the world and yourself a favor, and use this template instead.

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                          jounniy@ttrpg.network
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                          What template was he using before?

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                            What template was he using before?

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                            Steven Crowder

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                            • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 K 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

                              Imagine if you had to file paperwork for every demon killed in Doom. You’d practically never be killing demons after the first level because of all fhe paperwork from all the demons you killed in the first level!

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                              susaga@sh.itjust.works
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                              Nah, you’d just write up the first level in an Incident Report covering multiple dead demons. And more to the point, both bureaucracy and warfare are forms of politics, so killing demons is still a form of politics, with or without paperwork.

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                                When I say “I don’t want politics in my gaming,” I mean it literally.

                                Like, I don’t care for the Star Wars prequels because they spend a lotta time just doing politics instead of space battles.

                                I don’t wanna sit through boring ass senate sessions listening to motions and passing votes. I wanna blow shit up!

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                                nannerbanner@literature.cafe
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                                I think there’s a middle ground where the game ‘world’ can acknowledge there are political maneuverings happening, while not forcing you to track the shipments of food and goods so you can squeeze nobles who depend on certain economic routes into complying with the king’s orders to rally troops for a cause.

                                Bounty orders style campaigns are fun for a short while, but there’s only so many ‘go here, kill x, biggest change is the layout of the dungeon and enemy vulnerabilities’ before the game sessions all bleed into one long blurry dice roll. That’s close to warhammer/battletech/etc territory. I want a real story to go with the campaign, and that necessitates a ‘politics’ somewhere unless you’re playing one of the barbarian/end-of-the-world games where there is no civilization or npcs at all aside from enemies.

                                But I think we can all agree that the “politics” of motions and passing votes is not what was being addressed by OP.

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                                  He changed it to Calvin, but this comment is hilarious now.

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                                  Now it’s like…

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                                  • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                                    Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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                                    If it has a story it’s political

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                                    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

                                      Seriously. Every form of entertainment has baked-in political assumptions, and that definitely includes #ttrpg . You might choose not to examine them, but this is an active choice on your part, and you don’t get to pretend that your entertainment is “free of politics”.

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                                      Magiilaro
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                                      I don’t care about politics in my games (and shows/movies) as long as it fits into the world and into the story. A TV show examples for that is Torchwood. It has to be the most gay scify show (at least it is the most gay I know) but all of it fits together and I love the show, even as a totaly hetero/cis guy. It doesn’t feel forced but is just how everything just it. Not sure if I can explain it good, hope it is somewhat to understand.

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                                      • X xm34@feddit.org

                                        That may be the case for some people, but a lot of people just want some good lighthearted fun without any of the real world implications attached to it. This obviously doesn’t excuse bigoted mindsets. I’m talking about campaigns where me and my players just want to do some good old goblin slaying without the need for anyone to chime in with a “UM actshually those goblins have families too”.

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                                        susaga@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Easy moral patch: These specific goblins have all made unambiguously evil choices that warrant a good slaying. Like kicking dogs. You’re not slaying goblins because they’re goblins, you’re slaying dog-kickers that happen to be goblins. There are plenty of goblins who do not kick dogs, but they’re not a part of this fight.

                                        This is still a political statement that dog kickers are evil. I doubt anyone would mind that, and those that do are better off leaving my table anyway.

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                                        • susaga@sh.itjust.worksS susaga@sh.itjust.works

                                          Easy moral patch: These specific goblins have all made unambiguously evil choices that warrant a good slaying. Like kicking dogs. You’re not slaying goblins because they’re goblins, you’re slaying dog-kickers that happen to be goblins. There are plenty of goblins who do not kick dogs, but they’re not a part of this fight.

                                          This is still a political statement that dog kickers are evil. I doubt anyone would mind that, and those that do are better off leaving my table anyway.

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                                          xm34@feddit.org
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                                          Or, you know. We could just ignore those pseudo-moral excuses and do some good old goblin slaying because they’re in the dungeon, laying traps and we want the loot. Not everything needs 12 layers of logical depth. Sure, it’s fun to explore moral implications from time to time, but more often than not, no one cares.

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