I not someone sharing a Sly Flourish thing and it occurs to me that there is a whole layer of introductory D&D influencers whose work I view in similar terms to that of children's entertainers.
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@Taskerland I honestly think that if I was starting out in the hobby now, the sheer volume of often contradictory GM advice pumped out online would completely put me off.
@icosacade Yes. "And if you do any of this wrong... it's abuse"
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How does one even start out in the hobby now? What's the point of ignition?
Do people meet someone who games? Or is there a sort of cultural background radiation that these games have always existed and you can choose to find out more. Like Pétanque
@Printdevil I imagine you watch Critical Role, or you play Baldur's Gate, and then you spend a fortune on hundreds of pages of rules and regret your life decisions. @icosacade
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@Printdevil I imagine you watch Critical Role, or you play Baldur's Gate, and then you spend a fortune on hundreds of pages of rules and regret your life decisions. @icosacade
"ah.. a Wednesday"
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@Taskerland I actually used to be a big fan of him back when I was a D&D player, he even convinced me to buy the Dungeon World book (though I didn't play it). But at some point his advice started to become repetitive and eventually irrelevant for the kind of games I like to play now.
@dregntael He's been around for ages. I think he has quite a narrow view of the hobby and now just repeats and re-iterates based upon broader trends in the hobby.
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@icosacade Yes. "And if you do any of this wrong... it's abuse"
@Taskerland “You’ll never guess how you’re doing fun wrong! Click like and don’t forget to subscribe.”
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@dregntael He's been around for ages. I think he has quite a narrow view of the hobby and now just repeats and re-iterates based upon broader trends in the hobby.
@Taskerland I was reading his blog back when I first started with D&D 4E, so I know he's been around for a while
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@Taskerland I was reading his blog back when I first started with D&D 4E, so I know he's been around for a while
@dregntael I often confuse him with Mike Shea, the Angry GM who I think predates him a bit.
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@dregntael I often confuse him with Mike Shea, the Angry GM who I think predates him a bit.
@Taskerland Wait, Mike Shae *is* Sly Flourish, isn't he? Angry GM is Scott Rehm.
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@Taskerland Wait, Mike Shae *is* Sly Flourish, isn't he? Angry GM is Scott Rehm.
@dregntael Case in point haha
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@dregntael Case in point haha
@Taskerland @dregntael
Scott Rehm/Angry GM used to be a case of "I don't always agree with him but he always gives me something to think about". ...Then he went off on this bullshit "actually *roleplaying* in your roleplaying is wrong, you should have no dialogue and all action and people should infer your character from that" trend and I haven't read him since. -
@Taskerland @dregntael
Scott Rehm/Angry GM used to be a case of "I don't always agree with him but he always gives me something to think about". ...Then he went off on this bullshit "actually *roleplaying* in your roleplaying is wrong, you should have no dialogue and all action and people should infer your character from that" trend and I haven't read him since.@pteryx That would definitely place him in the 'I have nothing to learn from paying attention to this person' bracket as far as I am concerned but I suspect he may be right with regards to the hobby's general direction of travel.
Turn up at a game with strangers wanting exclusively to roll dice and you'll find it a lot easier socially than turning up and wanting to perform your character.
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@pteryx That would definitely place him in the 'I have nothing to learn from paying attention to this person' bracket as far as I am concerned but I suspect he may be right with regards to the hobby's general direction of travel.
Turn up at a game with strangers wanting exclusively to roll dice and you'll find it a lot easier socially than turning up and wanting to perform your character.
Oddly though they do perform characters it's just they perform as "youtuber D&D players" and it's very strange.
I meet quite a lot of older gamers who would I think be interested in returning to the hobby after retiring/children growing up, but when they go to a game shop and fondle the copy of Boredom on The Orient Expense, they look wistfully around and there is never anything going on they can do. If people were a bit more theatrical maybe they'd see a role
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@Taskerland @dregntael
Scott Rehm/Angry GM used to be a case of "I don't always agree with him but he always gives me something to think about". ...Then he went off on this bullshit "actually *roleplaying* in your roleplaying is wrong, you should have no dialogue and all action and people should infer your character from that" trend and I haven't read him since.@pteryx @Taskerland @dregntael isn't the name for that "Wargaming"?
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@pteryx @Taskerland @dregntael isn't the name for that "Wargaming"?
@Colman I know it is neither nice nor fair but whenever I encounter that attitude I want to drape a napkin over my arm and say 'Necromunda? right this way sir' @pteryx @dregntael
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@pteryx That would definitely place him in the 'I have nothing to learn from paying attention to this person' bracket as far as I am concerned but I suspect he may be right with regards to the hobby's general direction of travel.
Turn up at a game with strangers wanting exclusively to roll dice and you'll find it a lot easier socially than turning up and wanting to perform your character.
@Taskerland @dregntael
As near as I can tell, his going the whole 'I hate performatist RPers, which I just made a term for now" route was caused by a mix of being confused by how people RP on Discord (though I'll grant that *ending* your descriptive prose with a straightforward "Action A, bonus action B, done" is helpful) and irritated by the way professional RP streams have influenced the hobby. -
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