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The Overwhelming Case for a Wealth Tax

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    samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works
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    Who and how much:

    Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

    This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

    This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

    How:

    an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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    • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

      Who and how much:

      Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

      This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

      This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

      How:

      an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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      samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works
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      The rare Tyee article that is direct and to the point.

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      • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

        Who and how much:

        Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

        This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

        This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

        How:

        an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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        TerkErJerbs
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        You mean like the increase to capital gains tax Carney killed in his first few days as acting PM? He wasted no time letting his crew at Stripe and Shopify know who he gets shit done for.

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          You mean like the increase to capital gains tax Carney killed in his first few days as acting PM? He wasted no time letting his crew at Stripe and Shopify know who he gets shit done for.

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          jason2357@lemmy.ca
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          Too many people thought that tax would cut into their retirement investments. So dumb. We can’t do anything good without conservative hucksters convincing median income Canadians it will hurt them.

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          • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

            Who and how much:

            Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

            This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

            This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

            How:

            an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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            kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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            with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

            If someone has hoarded that much money, taxation at that rate will have absolutely zero impact on their lifestyle.

            They have no valid complaints about a system like the one being proposed.

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              Too many people thought that tax would cut into their retirement investments. So dumb. We can’t do anything good without conservative hucksters convincing median income Canadians it will hurt them.

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              thebloodfarts@lemmy.ca
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              While I disagree with dropping the tax, it’s clear the liberals dropped that and similar policies (carbon tax, capital gains, etc) to combat the conservative slogans that appealed to the truly moronic among us

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                While I disagree with dropping the tax, it’s clear the liberals dropped that and similar policies (carbon tax, capital gains, etc) to combat the conservative slogans that appealed to the truly moronic among us

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                lostwon@lemmy.ca
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                Yup, Mark Carney marketed himself in the traditional Liberal way, by copying others’ most popular policies like a larger retailer proactively lowering prices to neutralize upstart competition. Now that they’ve essentially validated that viewpoint, if they even seem to consider reversing the policy later, they give the CPC ammunition. Both Carney and Freeland campaigned on this even though they must know damn well taxing the rich is the only certain way to ensure the long term health of society and the economy.

                But the LPC is what the CPC used to be now. The CPC is much closer to the MAGA-esque PPC than they are to their traditional role. The NDP is apparently in a battle between LPC-ish establishment types at the top and more traditional NDP members at the grassroots. If the NDP gets absorbed into the LPC in future, that’ll be it. Those grassroots voices will be silenced, and the left will be just as gone from Canadian politics as it is in the United States.

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                • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

                  Who and how much:

                  Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

                  This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

                  This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

                  How:

                  an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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                  macrocyclo@lemmy.ca
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                  I’m for a wealth tax, but it makes a heck of a lot more sense to tax gifts and inheritance than try to keep track of the largest and most complicated wealth portfolios in Canada.

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                    Yup, Mark Carney marketed himself in the traditional Liberal way, by copying others’ most popular policies like a larger retailer proactively lowering prices to neutralize upstart competition. Now that they’ve essentially validated that viewpoint, if they even seem to consider reversing the policy later, they give the CPC ammunition. Both Carney and Freeland campaigned on this even though they must know damn well taxing the rich is the only certain way to ensure the long term health of society and the economy.

                    But the LPC is what the CPC used to be now. The CPC is much closer to the MAGA-esque PPC than they are to their traditional role. The NDP is apparently in a battle between LPC-ish establishment types at the top and more traditional NDP members at the grassroots. If the NDP gets absorbed into the LPC in future, that’ll be it. Those grassroots voices will be silenced, and the left will be just as gone from Canadian politics as it is in the United States.

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                    thebloodfarts@lemmy.ca
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                    Unfortunately, I agree with everything you’ve said. I’m hoping politics swings back to non-far right levels across the board but it’s difficult staying hopeful

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                      Unfortunately, I agree with everything you’ve said. I’m hoping politics swings back to non-far right levels across the board but it’s difficult staying hopeful

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                      lostwon@lemmy.ca
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                      Well, I suppose there’s also the small hope that even if we lose the NDP, the Green Party could find itself and welcome everyone that’s getting disenfranchised into their ranks, finally achieving Official Party status. I realize it’s an out-there suggestion, but it’s seeming more and more like anything is possible in the next few years (and whatever happens in that time will probably decide a lot about our future).

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                        with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

                        If someone has hoarded that much money, taxation at that rate will have absolutely zero impact on their lifestyle.

                        They have no valid complaints about a system like the one being proposed.

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                        notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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                        Wealth isn’t often in cash. It could be a founder of a company, and their stocks make their networth over 10 million.

                        In order to pay 1% they’d have to come up with another 100k, but the only way to do that is sell the stock. Selling the stock erodes the founders say in the company (shares = voting power) and will further incur taxes so it’s more than 100k.

                        So if by nothing you mean slowly erode a person’s ownership in their business over many years, then sure, nothing.

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                          Wealth isn’t often in cash. It could be a founder of a company, and their stocks make their networth over 10 million.

                          In order to pay 1% they’d have to come up with another 100k, but the only way to do that is sell the stock. Selling the stock erodes the founders say in the company (shares = voting power) and will further incur taxes so it’s more than 100k.

                          So if by nothing you mean slowly erode a person’s ownership in their business over many years, then sure, nothing.

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                          fodor@lemmy.zip
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                          We agree that taking money from them would in fact take money from them. Want a cookie?

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                            with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

                            If someone has hoarded that much money, taxation at that rate will have absolutely zero impact on their lifestyle.

                            They have no valid complaints about a system like the one being proposed.

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                            canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                            Even if they complain, they’d get laughed out of the room. That’s why the actual go-to tactic is threats.

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                              Who and how much:

                              Consider an annual tax on the net wealth of families with rates of one per cent above $10 million, two per cent above $50 million and three per cent above $100 million.

                              This means the first $10 million of any family’s wealth is entirely unaffected by the wealth tax. Based on modelling of the first year of this wealth tax, the bottom 99.4 per cent of Canadians would pay nothing, while only the richest 0.6 per cent would pay any amount. This means that only about 100,000 families across the country would pay any amount under the wealth tax, with 10,000 wealthy enough to fall into the second-highest bracket and 3,700 in the highest bracket.

                              This narrow tax on the wealthiest few would raise an estimated $39 billion in its first year, $62 billion by its 10th year and $495 billion cumulatively over a 10-year window.

                              How:

                              an effective wealth tax must make use of extensive third-party reporting of assets, particularly from financial institutions, rather than relying too heavily on self-reporting as in the case of some older wealth taxes.

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                              canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                              Also important bits:

                              First, a well-designed wealth tax must apply to all types of assets equally (rather than exempting certain types of assets such as real estate, which would make tax avoidance by shifting between asset classes easy and likely).

                              Another concern is that the wealthy may move abroad in response to a wealth tax. Even if some do, that does not mean they can avoid the wealth tax. To reduce the incentive, either a substantial exit tax can be imposed or annual wealth tax obligations can continue to be applied after expatriation for a set number of years. This would be a fair recognition of the broader society’s contribution to creating and enabling these fortunes.

                              A hard cap would also have none of these possible weaknesses, although it may be seen as too radical.

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