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38% support some privatization of Canada Post

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  • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

    It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

    That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

    Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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    bstix@feddit.dk
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    The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.

    It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.

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    • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

      Financial statements can be sent electronically. We are literally creating huge volumes of paper, spending a ton of money and creating a ton of CO2 and other industrial waste, just to send a bit of information that could’ve been an email that most people just throw away without reading anyway.

      Buses and roads are used by millions to get to work/school. Police are protecting you even if you never call them (countries without credible police are extremely dangerous; police have an extremely powerful deterrent effect against organized crime). Even if you’ve never driven or used a bus you’ve definitely eaten food that has travelled on a road multiple times before reaching you (unless you live on a commune out in the country in which case you probably shouldn’t be paying taxes for all that stuff).

      Anyway the point wasn’t even that there shouldn’t be a postal service, just that we don’t need daily delivery. If we eliminated non-addressed mail and made all financial statements electronic then the postal workers would be driving empty vans around town every day. We could easily switch to weekly delivery without impacting service much at all.

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      Carl
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      I don’t agree with you on mail at all. Not everything can be emailed to you. My bills are emailed/texted to me… But I still get some finicial papers, forms, and letters sent via the mail. I also get packages still delivered via canada post. You can mail in election votes. I depend on it.

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      • B bstix@feddit.dk

        The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.

        It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.

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        croquette@sh.itjust.works
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        Classic capitalism. Peak efficiency

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        • T tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world

          Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.

          Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.

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          croquette@sh.itjust.works
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          That’s a good service considering that around here, all the banks point of services are closing down and the only ATM left are the one charging 3-4$ per withdrawal, and I live in a populous city.

          However, Postal Services shouldn’t be profitable, just like any other governmental services. It should be a fucking service.

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          • T tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world

            Really? It is a shame that none of the suggestions are ever implemented.

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            croquette@sh.itjust.works
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            Because there are private interests that wants to bleed Canada Post dry and fuck every Canadian over for more money.

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              It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone.

              Because it’s one of their revenue streams. Nationalize Canada Post, stop caring about revenue and stop delivering non-addressed mail.

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              croquette@sh.itjust.works
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              #66

              Canada Post is already a crown corporation, but it is managed like a private corpo for whatever fucking weird reason.

              Lots of private interests trying to get their greasy finger into Canada Post and suck it dry.

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              • H howrar@lemmy.ca

                The union proposed hiring more people and spreading out their work across the week to cover all 7 days while giving everyone 5 days of full time work. Why was that option not part of the poll?

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                croquette@sh.itjust.works
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                Because the managerial side isn’t trying to negotiate in good faith.

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                • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                  It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                  That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                  Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                  rekabis@lemmy.ca
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                  38% of people hate their communities, and want everyone but the wealthy to suffer for the crime of being poor.

                  A fair proportion of our population have been absolutely hoodwinked and brainwashed by the snake-oil promises of conservatism and capitalism, both of which serve only the wealthiest 1%.

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                  • C croquette@sh.itjust.works

                    Because there are private interests that wants to bleed Canada Post dry and fuck every Canadian over for more money.

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                    xzot746@sh.itjust.works
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                    #69

                    I am always amazed at how many people do not understand this. Phone companies right before they started becoming almost “essential”, power companies, water/sanitation companies, healthcare “you know excluding eyes and teeth because they have nothing to do with healthcare” that they’re pushing to privatize, etc etc. So why does anyone think that privatizing Canada Post will be any different, and sure as shit it will be some stupid Tech company that will just have another means to amass your information to sell.

                    Now don’t get me wrong, there needs to be a change at Canada Post (and the CBC but that’s another topic), but privatization is not the answer, and neither is the current way it’s going. The person who mentioned how Ireland has adapted their postal service makes a valid point and it should be looked at.

                    Canadians will not be better served by privatization but some greedy asshole billionaire will, unless it gets bought by the employees.

                    Yes government organizations are rife with inefficiencies but it would be better to attempt to solve those problems.

                    I do not get a lot of useful mail from Canada Post, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a valuable service for Canadians. There just needs to be less junk mail what a complete waste of resources, and why the hell do companies have the right to force their trash on me. Bet that gets better with privization /s

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                    • H howrar@lemmy.ca

                      Yeah, maybe something like “Poll results on privatization of Canada Post”.

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                      Avid Amoeba
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                      I invite everyone to post more (poll) articles with better titles so we can all be more informed and engaged. ☺️

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                      • C Carl

                        I don’t agree with you on mail at all. Not everything can be emailed to you. My bills are emailed/texted to me… But I still get some finicial papers, forms, and letters sent via the mail. I also get packages still delivered via canada post. You can mail in election votes. I depend on it.

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                        chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                        The point is: do you need that stuff delivered daily? Or would it be fine if it only came on Fridays?

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                        • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                          The point is: do you need that stuff delivered daily? Or would it be fine if it only came on Fridays?

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                          Carl
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                          You made it sound like you are for privatization. I am good getting my mail once a week. As long as it is free. I depend on it.

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                            It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.

                            When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?

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                            Jerkface (any/all)
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                            You seem to be saying that CP is losing money on their revenue-generating business facing services like flier delivery. What’s your source?

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                            • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                              It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                              That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                              Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                              ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca
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                              Canada post is a service not a business. It should never be privatized.

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                              • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                                That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                                Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                                ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca
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                                If this is true then 38% should be deported to texas and we can bring in more immigrants to take their place.

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                                • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                  It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                                  That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                                  Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                                  Pyr
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                                  Unless it’s for packages does anyone really need junk-mail delivery every day?

                                  Most stuff has like a month for paying off statements and whatnot.

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                                  • C Carl

                                    You made it sound like you are for privatization. I am good getting my mail once a week. As long as it is free. I depend on it.

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                                    chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                                    It’s not free. It’s never been free. It’s $1.23 per letter for mail. But that $1.23 is way below cost. Canada Post lost over a billion dollars in 2024. The question is who should pay for the shortfall?

                                    I think big companies sending out all those financial statements and bills should be paying more for postage. Others around here seem to think taxpayers should be subsidizing their postage. That makes no sense to me! We’re talking about billion dollar corporations. Why do they need a subsidy to send people mail?

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                                    • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                                      It’s not free. It’s never been free. It’s $1.23 per letter for mail. But that $1.23 is way below cost. Canada Post lost over a billion dollars in 2024. The question is who should pay for the shortfall?

                                      I think big companies sending out all those financial statements and bills should be paying more for postage. Others around here seem to think taxpayers should be subsidizing their postage. That makes no sense to me! We’re talking about billion dollar corporations. Why do they need a subsidy to send people mail?

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                                      Carl
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                                      I meant cheap. And i agree.

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                                      • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                        It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                                        That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                                        Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                                        Phoenixz
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                                        Privatization in general doesn’t need to be a disaster either as long as good rules are setup, allowing and pushing for competition.

                                        Any core functions for a country (you know, water, electricity, internet) should be under much, much harsher rules to ensure people get good quality of whatever the service is

                                        Internet, for example, is a shitshow in Canada. I’ll get twice more for twice less in Mexico with less interruption. Yes, Rogers, you incompetent idiots, I’m looking at you. Telus isn’t much better but at least slightly more competent on average

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