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Canada rescinds digital services tax to advance trade discussions with the United States

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  • I implyingimplications@lemmy.ca

    I’m not sure pissing off bullies leads to fair deals either. I’m thinking Carney isn’t trying to get a good deal, but to avoid a trade war. Hell, Trump could order air strikes on Canada. He did it with Iran. Probably best not to piss him off. $2 billion in tax would be great but the government can also just print $2 billion if they really wanted to.

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    circav@lemmy.ca
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    We’re in a trade war - and moving away from the US ina way that will ensure for generations or longer. Carney capitulated to fash. We are Austria in 1938.

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    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

      I’ll protest if it’s organized by unions. I’m not doing any kkklownvoy shit.

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      walktheplank@lemmy.world
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      The clownvoy unfortunately was so effective in disruption it caused reasonable Canadians to question actual protest pretty hard. That it was organized by complete idiots for fucked up reasons is terrible. As protesters however we certainly could learn from their actions.

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      • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

        The clownvoy unfortunately was so effective in disruption it caused reasonable Canadians to question actual protest pretty hard. That it was organized by complete idiots for fucked up reasons is terrible. As protesters however we certainly could learn from their actions.

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        circav@lemmy.ca
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        Nah. I can’t learn shit from privileged racists. Fuck the kkklownvoy ♾️

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          frenezul0_o@lemmy.world
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          We shouldn’t negotiate with terrorists.

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            tramort@programming.dev
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            What a pussy

            Trump has no cards and desperately needs this

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            • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

              Carney is a clown who should’ve been given a much smaller majority.

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              Maple Engineer
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              #52

              Carney has a minority. Be quiet, the adults are talking.

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              • L lefantome@programming.dev

                CACO?

                Carney Always Chickens Out

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                doctornope@lemmy.world
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                My god, he could at least have given the chicken a week to stew and see if he folds. Instead…

                Carney Already Returned to Negotiations Emptyhanded Yesterday?

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                  grte@lemmy.ca
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                  #54

                  So that’s three taxes cut and a promise to increase the share of the national budget spent on the military to 30~%. One of the tax cuts and the military spending target being direct capitulations to Trump. Great start. What’s next, we end national health care and open the Canadian market to US health insurance companies?

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                  • L lefantome@programming.dev

                    CACO?

                    Carney Always Chickens Out

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                    anachronist@midwest.social
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                    • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

                      Yes, I would have millions of Canadians suffer to maintain our right to set our own fiscal policy. The alternative is annexation. Have you seen what the US does to its own citizens? Can you imagine what they would do to Canada as a vassal state?

                      There’s no need to cut trade entirely, simply mirroring their tariffs would be sufficient. If they want lower tariffs, they know what they need to do.

                      Would I start a war? Obviously not, but I’m not going to fool myself into thinking I’m avoiding one by giving them everything they demand. It has, after all, never worked with any dictator ever in the history of the world. If war is coming, it’s because the Americans want it, and we should all be ready. That means building trade and military alliances with actual friends. I think re-tooling the nation’s economy on a war-footing would be a good idea too, but before we go that far, I think I’d adopt Doctorow’s advice and kill the legislation on digital locks. If the Americans want to treat us like enemies, they should see just what that means. We should “turn off the taps” for oil, gas, and electricity and start encouraging high-skilled Americans to resettle in Canada.

                      This could be a great opportunity for us: reverse the brain drain and get out from under the US thumb. They’ve demonstrated that there’s no way to deal with them fairly, so now the alternative, albeit the more difficult route, is the only viable option.

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                      The millions of Canadians suffering only works for a time. In the end people will vote away freedom in exchange for a piece of bread. This much has been proven by history. So in any plan that involves the suffering of millions, there has to be a portion that ends that suffering in as short time frame as possible. I’m not sure there is one at the moment. There are some concepts of a plan. I don’t know if we can realistically do this for example without opening up trade with China and only relying on the EU as a replacement to the US. And right now we’re taking a more or less China Bad stance. Perhaps this would change if we get fucked by Trump. Perhaps Carney is using this as a stick in negotiations. E.g. if you fuck us, we’ll have no choice but to do China OK in order to take care of Canadians. Maybe the EU is enough, I don’t know. I just know that the EU themselves are dependent on China in a few areas and we shouldn’t be paying their profit margins to get the same stuff.

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                      • I implyingimplications@lemmy.ca

                        I can’t believe “I would have millions of Canadians suffer” is getting upvotes…never change internet.

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                        outlierblue@lemmy.ca
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                        Because the suffering as a vassal state would be so much worse.

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                          ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                          Write to Carney/your MP praising them for ending trade negotiations with the US

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                            montreal_metro@lemmy.ca
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                            You know what to do, unsubscribe.

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                            • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                              Nah. I can’t learn shit from privileged racists. Fuck the kkklownvoy ♾️

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                              walktheplank@lemmy.world
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                              #60

                              How American of you. If you can’t learn, you can’t win.

                              I was a union member my entire working life and a steward many times. Various unions for different things. There were some unions I wouldn’t protest for. Many of them are big national unions. They’re just as bad as the government. I still learned shit from them. Like what not to do.

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                                lostwon@lemmy.ca
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                                It’s up to us, since it seems more and more every day that Carney really can’t be trusted. Either outright avoid US online services or do NO financial transactions and block all ads.

                                *edit - Also, I wonder how long it will take Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” to properly bankrupt the US? I hope the US people can do something about him for their own sake, and ours.

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                                • G guardyagrill@sh.itjust.works

                                  This is exactly what people voted for. People hate trump so much that they let their emotions cast their votes, Conservatives aren’t much better but we would’ve likely seen a different change of approach on how things are ran.

                                  NDP was suppose to be the in-between of Liberal and Conservative however, they’re far more Liberal than Conservative so it makes sense that their party isn’t crazy popular.

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                                  archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                                  I don’t think you follow Canadian politics very closely.

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                                  • G gonzo-rand19

                                    NDP was suppose to be the in-between of Liberal and Conservative

                                    [citation needed]

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                                    archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                                    Don’t hold your breath. There are none.

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                                    • O outlierblue@lemmy.ca

                                      Because the suffering as a vassal state would be so much worse.

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                                      implyingimplications@lemmy.ca
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                                      It’s a 3% tax on tech companies. Carney did not agree to be a vassal state. He cancelled a would be tax that Trudeau said would take effect today in an attempt to sign a trade deal with the US, something the US agreed to negotiate before end of July. If there’s no deal by then he could always move forward with the tax.

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                                      • G guardyagrill@sh.itjust.works

                                        This is exactly what people voted for. People hate trump so much that they let their emotions cast their votes, Conservatives aren’t much better but we would’ve likely seen a different change of approach on how things are ran.

                                        NDP was suppose to be the in-between of Liberal and Conservative however, they’re far more Liberal than Conservative so it makes sense that their party isn’t crazy popular.

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                                        outlierblue@lemmy.ca
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                                        Conservatives aren’t much better but we would’ve likely seen a different change of approach on how things are ran.

                                        You’re right. Poilievre would’ve agreed to Trump’s demands immediately to make them all richer and fuck the rest of us. Carney isn’t good, but the Cons would’ve been much worse. Don’t pull the same old “but Kamala” bullshit argument in here.

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