U.S. resumed trade talks with Canada on Monday morning, says Carney
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I feel as though the entire point of this was to make Canadians feel ashamed and discouraged on the day before our national holiday.
And in that Trump was successful. It’s brutal and bullying propaganda.
No success of realpolitik in negotiations can undo that.
The business community and media were calling the digital services tax an unforced error.
But the real unforced error is Carney getting played to do something destructive to national unity heading into Canada Day.
This is one of the few cases where his lack of political experience is showing. I’m wondering if his team will let him understand that and see the polling impact.
Agreed. If there’s a greater purpose here, keeping it from Canadians is a pretty big blunder.
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What’s the point? Even if we reach a deal, it’s not like Trump is stable or trustworthy enough to honour it.
We MUST keep our threats in place for at least 30 days after Trump’s last threat, or else this off-and-on bullshit will just continue indefinitely. And we should extend that delay every time Trump plays his games.
And even if he is stable enough to honor it, he will change his mind in “2 weeks”. Everything is 2 weeks for this guy.
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Even if we reach a deal, it’s not like Trump is stable or trustworthy enough to honour it.
I don’t think this is entirely true - Trump is obviously not trustworthy, but the government has been able to leverage CUSMA to lessen the impact of the attempted tariffs. There seems to be some benefit to having a formal deal in place.
But I’m definitely not comfortable with this capitulation at all.
There seems to be some benefit to having a formal deal in place.
Yes, but the “in place” part is what’s in question. You can sign a deal, and the next day Trump can say it was a bad deal and it’s off the table… again.
Much of the stuff he’s bickering about now are things HE negotiated during his first term! He’ll never be happy, and we have to stop wasting time on this baboon and seek partnerships with leaders who aren’t complete assholes.
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And even if he is stable enough to honor it, he will change his mind in “2 weeks”. Everything is 2 weeks for this guy.
Everything is
2 weeksFriday for this guy.He waits until the last possible moment before the weekend to drop his bi-polar outbursts on social media…
Assuming he gets to Friday. Shit changes every few hours with him.
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I feel as though the entire point of this was to make Canadians feel ashamed and discouraged on the day before our national holiday.
And in that Trump was successful. It’s brutal and bullying propaganda.
No success of realpolitik in negotiations can undo that.
The business community and media were calling the digital services tax an unforced error.
But the real unforced error is Carney getting played to do something destructive to national unity heading into Canada Day.
This is one of the few cases where his lack of political experience is showing. I’m wondering if his team will let him understand that and see the polling impact.
I feel as though the entire point of this was to make Canadians feel ashamed and discouraged on the day before our national holiday.And in that Trump was successful.
The fuck he was. I feel no shame, nor discouragement whatsoever.
All Trump “won” was getting Carney to scrap a policy that wasn’t even in force yet, effectively gaining nothing. And there’s nothing stopping us from just reimplementing the same policy under some other name that Trump’s dumb ass won’t even notice.
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Yeah, I think that’s been missing from most of the conversation. Our DST was retroactive and higher than the one in the UK (which Trump&co didn’t bitch about). If this version of the tax dies and we can replace it later, but we still gain something by this move then we’re coming out ahead.
We’ll see what happens.
I agree. We can’t know the full reason that it was cancelled, and I doubt we will for a while. Unlike Trump, Carney is smart enough not to ramble about everything and show the world all his cards. Hopefully he pulled this back in order to either roll it into something else, or go in with the EU to turn it into a new deal. With how much he seems to be trying to unite Canada, E.U, and Europe as a whole I wouldn’t be surprised. We will have to wait and see how the 90 days plays out. Nothing is stopping him from turning it back on later.
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There seems to be some benefit to having a formal deal in place.
Yes, but the “in place” part is what’s in question. You can sign a deal, and the next day Trump can say it was a bad deal and it’s off the table… again.
Much of the stuff he’s bickering about now are things HE negotiated during his first term! He’ll never be happy, and we have to stop wasting time on this baboon and seek partnerships with leaders who aren’t complete assholes.
It’s geographically impossible for Canada to completely eliminate trade with the US.
I absolutely agree that it should be minimized, though.
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It’s geographically impossible for Canada to completely eliminate trade with the US.
I absolutely agree that it should be minimized, though.
Yeah, we should do both. Minimize the damage and reduce reliance. I think quitting cold turkey might lead to worse outcomes, including a possible reorientation towards the US under a prospective reactionary conservative government.
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It’s geographically impossible for Canada to completely eliminate trade with the US.
I absolutely agree that it should be minimized, though.
We can do minimal trade, and only when absolutely necessary, with Blue states.
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Yeah, we should do both. Minimize the damage and reduce reliance. I think quitting cold turkey might lead to worse outcomes, including a possible reorientation towards the US under a prospective reactionary conservative government.
Pretty much where I’m at. We absolutely should do everything we can to minimize the impact of American volatility to our economy, but damaging our economy more than necessary to do so is counterproductive. Stringing on the bullshit until we have a clear exit plan is the smart move, distasteful as that may be.
