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Vancouver council lowers speed limit to 30km/h on local streets to reduce collisions

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  • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

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    skozzii@lemmy.ca
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    #7

    30 is crazy slow, either make more pedestrian paths or allow the cars, not 30 everywhere, remove the vehicle lanes if you have to, one way conversions maybe.

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      candid_andy@lemmy.ca
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      Bicycles go faster than that on the bicycle paths.

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      • thefeaturecreature@lemmy.caT thefeaturecreature@lemmy.ca

        Literally nobody will obey this.

        I’m not in Vancouver itself, but a major road near me had its speed limit dropped to accommodate mixed-use expansions. Not a single driver actually does the new speed limit. They all speed 20-30kph over the limit and they will tailgate you or highbeam flash if you do the posted limit.

        Maybe some day in the distant future our policy-makers will understand that updating a few signs doesn’t make a damn difference. You need physical speed reduction methods such as speedbumps, roundabouts, raised crosswalks, etc.

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        notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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        They actually changed the road to accommodate mixed usage while lowering it? Lucky you!

        Here there just taking big roads designed for 50, and making them 40 with zero plans to change the roadway to encourage the lower speed.

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        • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

          Bicycles go faster than that on the bicycle paths.

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          Rob Bos
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          Downhill, maybe. I average like 20, though I don’t push super hard.

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          • S skozzii@lemmy.ca

            30 is crazy slow, either make more pedestrian paths or allow the cars, not 30 everywhere, remove the vehicle lanes if you have to, one way conversions maybe.

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            showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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            Speed doesn’t get you around faster in urban areas, especially not in residential neighbourhoods, because stop signs and traffic lights (when not ignored) extend your trip more.

            That’s why as a cyclist, I’m often catching up to cars going 3-4x faster than me. And when cars are queued up at stops, I’m often passing those “fast” cars, too.

            But 30km/h is less likely to kill people, which is a good thing.

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              roquettequeen@sh.itjust.works
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              I’m already getting aggressively tailgated where I live when I follow the 40km/h limit. I don’t see this going well, unfortunately.

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              • Rob BosR Rob Bos

                Downhill, maybe. I average like 20, though I don’t push super hard.

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                bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                On a mountain bike tire maybe, but a roadbike tire and dual chain ring and cassette, if you aren’t a kid or senior you can easily do 30km/h and sustain it. Downhill sections I have seen 55-60 km/h on my bike computer, and that is with little effort because my front end gets twitchy when the grade is steep and speed is that high

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                • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                  On a mountain bike tire maybe, but a roadbike tire and dual chain ring and cassette, if you aren’t a kid or senior you can easily do 30km/h and sustain it. Downhill sections I have seen 55-60 km/h on my bike computer, and that is with little effort because my front end gets twitchy when the grade is steep and speed is that high

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                  Rob Bos
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                  I was thinking more relaxed, city streets, stop signs every block. Average speed.

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                    I was thinking more relaxed, city streets, stop signs every block. Average speed.

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                    bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                    #15

                    True, but If you have been to Vancouver you’d know that cyclists don’t stop at stop signs 🙂

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                      True, but If you have been to Vancouver you’d know that cyclists don’t stop at stop signs 🙂

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                      Rob Bos
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                      I can throw a rock and hit Vancouver!

                      Mind I’d have to walk a few minutes first.

                      Even with rolling stops, my tracking usually puts me around 20, 25 if I hustle a bit.

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                      • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                        So how much time will this add to most trips, in the end?

                        Edit: I have no formed opinion on this policy. I don’t even know which side is downvoting me, lol.

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                        Pyr
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                        Not much overall I would guess. Most people going 60-70 in a 50 zone usually just end up getting to the next red light faster, wasting their gas and wearing down their brakes faster.

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                        • Rob BosR Rob Bos

                          I can throw a rock and hit Vancouver!

                          Mind I’d have to walk a few minutes first.

                          Even with rolling stops, my tracking usually puts me around 20, 25 if I hustle a bit.

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                          bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                          What tires are you running on?

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                          • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                            Bicycles go faster than that on the bicycle paths.

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                            fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                            A bicycle has significantly less mass than a car or truck, so even if bicycles are traveling that fast regularly the risk is significantly lower in the event of a collision.

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                            • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                              So how much time will this add to most trips, in the end?

                              Edit: I have no formed opinion on this policy. I don’t even know which side is downvoting me, lol.

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                              fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                              People are downvoting you because your question is implying driver delays are not worth the increase in safety. Drivers are often protesting nearly anything that slows them down even when that thing slowing them down has been proven to save lives.

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                              • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                                People are downvoting you because your question is implying driver delays are not worth the increase in safety. Drivers are often protesting nearly anything that slows them down even when that thing slowing them down has been proven to save lives.

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                                canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                Huh. Is there a way I could have asked that without implying an answer, or a value judgement about the answer?

                                Like, if it was two hours on every trip I’d say it’s not worth the added safety, but a lot of driving tends to happen off of local streets anyway, so I was honestly wondering.

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                                • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                  What tires are you running on?

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                                  Rob Bos
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                                  The kind you pump air into? Less nobbly than mountain bike tires, not as thin as road bike tires. The type of tire is the bike shop’s problem.

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                                  • Rob BosR Rob Bos

                                    The kind you pump air into? Less nobbly than mountain bike tires, not as thin as road bike tires. The type of tire is the bike shop’s problem.

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                                    bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                                    I mean for speed, the type of tire affects your rolling friction

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                                      I mean for speed, the type of tire affects your rolling friction

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                                      Rob Bos
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                                      I guess. Why do I want to go faster?

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                                      • Rob BosR Rob Bos

                                        I guess. Why do I want to go faster?

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                                        bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                                        ? Amnesia maybe. Original comment I replied to was you said 30-35 on a bike was not possible and maybe on downhill, and that you averaged 20 km/h. 30 is easily a steady pace on smooth narrower tires. That’s how we got here LOL

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                                        • PyrP Pyr

                                          Not much overall I would guess. Most people going 60-70 in a 50 zone usually just end up getting to the next red light faster, wasting their gas and wearing down their brakes faster.

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                                          canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                          There definitely is a bit of that, although they also skip some lights they would have been stuck behind. If we model the lights as uncorrelated random stops, increased speed should still decrease travel time the same way.

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