Canada needs its own credit card payment method.
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The US have a monopoly on credit card payments with Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, etc.
Even with online payment systems like PayPal, GPay, Apple Pay.
The only Canadian option that I know of is the new Shop Pay, which is owned by Shopify. (And we all know the founder CEO, Tobias Lutke is a far-right fascist traitor who loves the idea of being a 51st state.)
Right now Visa and Mastercard are controlling what stores can sell, and what services can be provided. Censoring online content, like asking Steam and Itch.io to remove certain games.
What are examples of alternatives in other countries? I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Do you think they might be refused by American companies in order to keep their monopoly?
I’d like to know what you think.
Discover Financial Networks was for sale. But instead of Canada buying it, it’s now owned by capital one. Gotta be quicker next time!
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We have one. We don’t use it for credit cards but we could if we wanted to. We use it for debit transactions.
And it is orders of magnitude cheaper for retailers than credit cards.
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The US have a monopoly on credit card payments with Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, etc.
Even with online payment systems like PayPal, GPay, Apple Pay.
The only Canadian option that I know of is the new Shop Pay, which is owned by Shopify. (And we all know the founder CEO, Tobias Lutke is a far-right fascist traitor who loves the idea of being a 51st state.)
Right now Visa and Mastercard are controlling what stores can sell, and what services can be provided. Censoring online content, like asking Steam and Itch.io to remove certain games.
What are examples of alternatives in other countries? I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Do you think they might be refused by American companies in order to keep their monopoly?
I’d like to know what you think.
That’s one thing to add to the list to boycott the US. Stop using visa and mastercard and use debit instead.
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I think we need our own everything. If it isn’t being done in Canada and we are relying on someone else for it, we should be on that whenever and as soon as possible. Especially considering how unstable the geopolitical situation is.
Don’t get all isolationist, my friend. Having domestic options is a good idea, but you will be dependent on international countries somehow. And that’s true for the world, right?
So, maybe soften your stance. Or don’t, as you prefer.
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Don’t get all isolationist, my friend. Having domestic options is a good idea, but you will be dependent on international countries somehow. And that’s true for the world, right?
So, maybe soften your stance. Or don’t, as you prefer.
I see no reason to soften my stance as it isn’t isolationist to say anything we can do on our own we should be doing on our own considering the unstable geopolitical climate. That’s true for every country, wouldn’t you agree?
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The US have a monopoly on credit card payments with Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, etc.
Even with online payment systems like PayPal, GPay, Apple Pay.
The only Canadian option that I know of is the new Shop Pay, which is owned by Shopify. (And we all know the founder CEO, Tobias Lutke is a far-right fascist traitor who loves the idea of being a 51st state.)
Right now Visa and Mastercard are controlling what stores can sell, and what services can be provided. Censoring online content, like asking Steam and Itch.io to remove certain games.
What are examples of alternatives in other countries? I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Do you think they might be refused by American companies in order to keep their monopoly?
I’d like to know what you think.
Canada doesn’t need its own payment system.
The EU does and we’ll just be compatible. That’s best.
Base it all on the euro just to kickstart the greenback’s tumble from international relevance.
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I see no reason to soften my stance as it isn’t isolationist to say anything we can do on our own we should be doing on our own considering the unstable geopolitical climate. That’s true for every country, wouldn’t you agree?
Except,
If it isn’t being done in Canada and we are relying on someone else for it, we should be on that
and
anything we can do on our own we should be doing on our own
don’t mean the same thing. The former is “everything we’re not doing” and the latter is “everything we’re not doing but can.”
At least the light is bright from the gas.
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Except,
If it isn’t being done in Canada and we are relying on someone else for it, we should be on that
and
anything we can do on our own we should be doing on our own
don’t mean the same thing. The former is “everything we’re not doing” and the latter is “everything we’re not doing but can.”
At least the light is bright from the gas.
If it isn’t done in Canada, we should be on that. Whatever we can do ourselves, we should be doing on our own.
I know you understood what I meant, especially considering the further elaboration you cited, so if you respond I expect you to do so in good faith.
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The US have a monopoly on credit card payments with Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, etc.
Even with online payment systems like PayPal, GPay, Apple Pay.
The only Canadian option that I know of is the new Shop Pay, which is owned by Shopify. (And we all know the founder CEO, Tobias Lutke is a far-right fascist traitor who loves the idea of being a 51st state.)
Right now Visa and Mastercard are controlling what stores can sell, and what services can be provided. Censoring online content, like asking Steam and Itch.io to remove certain games.
What are examples of alternatives in other countries? I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Do you think they might be refused by American companies in order to keep their monopoly?
I’d like to know what you think.
I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Many companies have payment methods like QR codes that link with bank accounts (or require manually topping up in their own system from your account via transfer or ATM) and we have that in Japan. I’m not aware of any credit card that isn’t using the VISA/MC/Amex infrastructure (unless you want to count gift cards that only work in a specific store). I don’t know if the QR codes work at all for online stuff (I’m a luddite about that stuff: cash and credit work fine for me).
The other thing to note that, even were Canada to create its own domestic network, travel becomes harder for Canadians until/unless any common networks integrate with it.
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Don’t get all isolationist, my friend. Having domestic options is a good idea, but you will be dependent on international countries somehow. And that’s true for the world, right?
So, maybe soften your stance. Or don’t, as you prefer.
I read their comment as proposing to aim for potential self-sufficiency. That doesn’t necessarily imply isolationism. Developing homegrown options isn’t mutually exclusive with global trade.
It can just mean having domestic alternatives to assert our sovereignty in case, say, a fascist movement takes over the government of our largest trading partner with who we share the world’s longest border, or something like that. Purely a hypothetical, of course.
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The US have a monopoly on credit card payments with Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners Club, etc.
Even with online payment systems like PayPal, GPay, Apple Pay.
The only Canadian option that I know of is the new Shop Pay, which is owned by Shopify. (And we all know the founder CEO, Tobias Lutke is a far-right fascist traitor who loves the idea of being a 51st state.)
Right now Visa and Mastercard are controlling what stores can sell, and what services can be provided. Censoring online content, like asking Steam and Itch.io to remove certain games.
What are examples of alternatives in other countries? I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Do you think they might be refused by American companies in order to keep their monopoly?
I’d like to know what you think.
Credit card charges need to be transparent and charged directly to the user and not the merchant. Otherwise there is no downward pressure on pricing and Canadian consumers will continue to get ripped off.
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And it is orders of magnitude cheaper for retailers than credit cards.
The problem is there’s no incentive to use it, as you don’t get the kickback your credit card provides. I’m not sure how the CC duopoly tricked us into disallowing retailer cash/debit discounting.
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The problem is there’s no incentive to use it, as you don’t get the kickback your credit card provides. I’m not sure how the CC duopoly tricked us into disallowing retailer cash/debit discounting.
The incentive is to exchange money for goods without having to carry cash around. Like yeah you get points and shit for cc transactions but if you can’t see that the customer is not the one who benefits and it is merely a tool to drive engagement then I can’t help you.
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That’s one thing to add to the list to boycott the US. Stop using visa and mastercard and use debit instead.
I really wish I could.
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The problem is there’s no incentive to use it, as you don’t get the kickback your credit card provides. I’m not sure how the CC duopoly tricked us into disallowing retailer cash/debit discounting.
I use debit whenever I can. The incentive is to not hand over 2 to 3 percent of my economy to foreigners who contribute nothing.
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The problem is there’s no incentive to use it, as you don’t get the kickback your credit card provides. I’m not sure how the CC duopoly tricked us into disallowing retailer cash/debit discounting.
Your credit card kick back has a yearly fee, and possible interest. They hope you over spend
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Your credit card kick back has a yearly fee, and possible interest. They hope you over spend
Not all CCs have annual fees. I’ve got one with no fees and I still get 1% back.
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I know that Japan, for example, has their own independent ones, I think?
Many companies have payment methods like QR codes that link with bank accounts (or require manually topping up in their own system from your account via transfer or ATM) and we have that in Japan. I’m not aware of any credit card that isn’t using the VISA/MC/Amex infrastructure (unless you want to count gift cards that only work in a specific store). I don’t know if the QR codes work at all for online stuff (I’m a luddite about that stuff: cash and credit work fine for me).
The other thing to note that, even were Canada to create its own domestic network, travel becomes harder for Canadians until/unless any common networks integrate with it.
Don’t we have JCB? Is that piggybacking off MC or Visa’s infrastructure?
And yes, you can do online payments using stuff like PayPay.
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The incentive is to exchange money for goods without having to carry cash around. Like yeah you get points and shit for cc transactions but if you can’t see that the customer is not the one who benefits and it is merely a tool to drive engagement then I can’t help you.
I mean, for me it literally makes all my purchases 1% cheaper for zero cost so long as I pay the full amount monthly, which I do. It’d make no financial sense to not take advantage of it.
This IMO is part of the problem, because I’m incentivized to take money away from local businesses and give it to the CC duopoly.
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Yeah, it just sucks that we are all paying about an extra 3% more on everything we buy to cover the interchange fees charged on credit transactions, even if we pay cash. It’s built into all the pricing. Years back, there were places that would discount a price by 3% if you paid cash, but I haven’t seen that in years. Best we can do now is get a cash back card to recover some of the loss. The annual fee cards usually get you more back, so if you use a credit card for everything you can, you might be further ahead.
