Canada should follow U.K.'s initiative to lower voting age to 16, says senator
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A lot of 80/90 year olds have family they love.
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think letting 16 year olds vote is the right move.
All 16 year olds pay into the programs that support the few 90 year olds. They’re a pyramid scheme that takes from the young and gives to the old. 16 year olds are old enough to pay taxes and they are old enough to vote.
No vote, no taxes.
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All 16 year olds pay into the programs that support the few 90 year olds. They’re a pyramid scheme that takes from the young and gives to the old. 16 year olds are old enough to pay taxes and they are old enough to vote.
No vote, no taxes.
Canada’s OAS and CPP are not a pyramid scheme, they’re based on what you actually put in and guaranteed.
They don’t have the solvency issues that US Social Security has.
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90 year olds aren’t going to vote for education, childcare, etc. They have a few years left to live. 16 year old have their entire lives to live. Look at what happened in Britain. Old people voted to withdraw from the EU which disproportionately harmed young, mobile professionals.
This idea that old people care only about themselves is wrong, and very much a young person’s view. As you get older it’s not uncommon to care less about getting things for yourself (what are you going to do with it?) and more about the people and world you’re going to leave behind. An old person who appreciates the value of education or healthcare doesn’t stop wanting that for the country just because they’re soon going to be gone.
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You know why seniors’ issues tend to be addressed? Because they vote like their lives depend on it and put the rest of us to shame.
No. Because the boomer generation was so massive that their voting power surpassed any other generation. Even if they don’t even all go vote, they still buried the X and millennials combined.
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The comments in this thread are wild. So many saying practically the same thing. Polar opposite vote results. Lol.
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No. Because the boomer generation was so massive that their voting power surpassed any other generation. Even if they don’t even all go vote, they still buried the X and millennials combined.
You could post some numbers that back you that kinda crazy take…
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Canada’s OAS and CPP are not a pyramid scheme, they’re based on what you actually put in and guaranteed.
They don’t have the solvency issues that US Social Security has.
My main point:
No vote, no tax.
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90 year olds aren’t going to vote for education, childcare, etc. They have a few years left to live. 16 year old have their entire lives to live. Look at what happened in Britain. Old people voted to withdraw from the EU which disproportionately harmed young, mobile professionals.
I could defintely see 16 year olds voting against their best interests, such as lower drinking ages, less school years, easier school circulums. Ending school at grade 10 might sound like a great idea to a 16 year old and the mp pitching it could convince older canadians it would save a lot of taxes as well, all well significantly impacting that new generations education potential.
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Let’s lower the voting age cap actually. Also the age cap for holding positions in politics.
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I don’t outwardly oppose the idea, but to be perfectly honest with myself I do not think I was mature enough at sixteen for my opinion to matter at a macro scale.
Some people aren’t mature enough at 56 and they’re still allowed a vote.
Honestly if you can get a drivers licence at 16 you should be able to vote too. And just because we open it up to them doesn’t mean they’ll all automatically actually do it.
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I think it could be good. I don’t think it’s a popular position, though. Everyone and their mom is ready with a personal anecdote about how they used to be lazy and ignorant in high school (they’re dedicated and informed now, though, of course) and, as we all know, all teens are the same, so none of them deserve the right to vote.
It’s a real weak excuse too, because the lazy and ignorant ones are welcome to not vote as usual, but maybe some informed students will. Of course there will also be plenty of conservative weirdos pushing their worldview on their children who will push them to also vote conservative, but hey thems the breaks.
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You could post some numbers that back you that kinda crazy take…
I mean, you realize where the word “boomers” comes from, right?
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I could defintely see 16 year olds voting against their best interests, such as lower drinking ages, less school years, easier school circulums. Ending school at grade 10 might sound like a great idea to a 16 year old and the mp pitching it could convince older canadians it would save a lot of taxes as well, all well significantly impacting that new generations education potential.
Is that worse than the adults in Alberta repeatedly voting in governments that allow foreign companies to take Alberta oil out of the province for fractions of a penny on the dollar while failing to put away sufficient reserve funds to clean up their messes in the province leaving those adult voters and their future children holding a many tens of billions of dollars cleanup bill?
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I think there’s something to be said for allowing kids to participate in the political system while we still have them in school to teach them about it. Maybe it would help voter turnout rates.
I don’t know for you but the school parliament give me a pretty good lesson on the actual political landscape : elected people don’t change shit
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My main point:
No vote, no tax.
I would be fine with not charging workers under 18 tax.
When I was that age saving for university wasn’t easy and staying life off with a bunch of debt and no guaranteed job isn’t fun.
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No, we shouldn’t. More voting isn’t necessarily better. It’s similar to the arguments people make for mandatory voting, which is also a bad idea.
We don’t need more noise in the voting process.
If anything I’d want to restrict the franchise to people with a certain level of knowledge but I don’t think it’s possible to do that in a just way.
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I would be fine with not charging workers under 18 tax.
When I was that age saving for university wasn’t easy and staying life off with a bunch of debt and no guaranteed job isn’t fun.
But they DO pay tax so they should have a voice since they are being taxed without representation.
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no. most 16-year-olds don’t know anything. yeah yeah most people don’t know anything in the first place, but teenagers know even less.
all this is going to do is boost whatever vote their family has
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Some people aren’t mature enough at 56 and they’re still allowed a vote.
Honestly if you can get a drivers licence at 16 you should be able to vote too. And just because we open it up to them doesn’t mean they’ll all automatically actually do it.
Driver’s license is a weird thing to tie to voting imho. Serving in military makes sense to me though.
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I mean, you realize where the word “boomers” comes from, right?
I mean, you realize people tend to die as they age, right?
The largest age cohort in America are millenials, not boomers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/296974/us-population-share-by-generation/
But, Boomers outvote millenials by a silly margin. Silly takes like “there are more boomers” probably don’t help.
