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Workers are being priced out of Toronto. Can we reverse course?

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  • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

    Have you seen China lately? It’s getting pretty dang attractive.

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    cyborganism
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    I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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    • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml

      The party must die then. This is class war, no time for negotiations.

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      alexlost@lemmy.world
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      Yeah, that’s the idea. No entrenched government of any side will touch this, we need to force their hands. Many in government are the same folks holding onto multiple properties for investment purposes. We need to make it unprofitable to do so, in any way WE can, because the courts will never back us, and neither will the government.

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      • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU ultragigagigantic@lemmy.ml

        Don’t worry, the liberal party promised to pass electoral reform. Doug Ford voters should be free to vote for alternative political parties without a spoiler effect.

        The liberal party kept their most important election promise right?

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        n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
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        And thats a reason to the most inept and corrupt premeir in onterrible history? I dont care if another conservative gets in power, no party represents me currently

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        • T StinkyFingerItchyBum

          It’s a stupid assumption of capitalism that anything unprofitable isn’t worth doing. Where the market fails to provide, government can step in. Government used to build social housing. There is an intense demand for futureproof housing, like resilient passivehouse styled housing, that private won’t do because it’s not profitable and government won’t do because they forgot they could do anything if they really wanted. A world dominated by energy concerns and climate change necessitates this.

          We will dither until there is blood in the streets.

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          dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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          #19

          There already is.

          Liberal nations will dither until the blood flows like a river and it costs a billionaire some money.

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          • C cyborganism

            I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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            dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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            The freedoms the West is throwing in the trash without even getting healthcare and mass transit for it.

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            • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

              The freedoms the West is throwing in the trash without even getting healthcare and mass transit for it.

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              cyborganism
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              Yeah but whose fault is that? People chose this. China doesn’t have a choice.

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              • T StinkyFingerItchyBum

                It’s a stupid assumption of capitalism that anything unprofitable isn’t worth doing. Where the market fails to provide, government can step in. Government used to build social housing. There is an intense demand for futureproof housing, like resilient passivehouse styled housing, that private won’t do because it’s not profitable and government won’t do because they forgot they could do anything if they really wanted. A world dominated by energy concerns and climate change necessitates this.

                We will dither until there is blood in the streets.

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                deathsembrace@lemmy.world
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                A revolution would solve most of these problems not gonna lie.

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                • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                  cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                  dermanus@lemmy.ca
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                  Can we? Yes. Will we? If the way cities have been turning down federal money for relaxing regulations is a sign, then no we won’t.

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                  • D dermanus@lemmy.ca

                    Can we? Yes. Will we? If the way cities have been turning down federal money for relaxing regulations is a sign, then no we won’t.

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                    sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                    Is it more than just Toronto? I hadn’t heard of other cities turning the cash down or reneging on the deal.

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                    • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                      Is it more than just Toronto? I hadn’t heard of other cities turning the cash down or reneging on the deal.

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                      dermanus@lemmy.ca
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                      Tecumseth has, and Ottawa hasn’t yet but they’re making all the right noises, including calling deregulation “really far left” (as a bad thing)

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                      • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                        cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                        psvrh@lemmy.ca
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                        Are we going to either ensure people get paid enough to afford houses, or build homes that people can afford to live in?

                        No?

                        Then no, it won’t get fixed. Right now, the market is making too much money off of exacerbating the problem, and the idea of government providing solutions went out of fashion in 1992.

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                        • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                          cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/48790317

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                          canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                          That sounds self-limiting, actually.

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                          • C cyborganism

                            I know there’s a lot of great things that China is able to do under their regime. Like building mass transit incredibly fast. But this comes at a great price though in terms of rights and freedoms.

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                            eatcasserole@lemmy.world
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                            So our masters keep saying.

                            But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                            The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                            Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                            • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

                              So our masters keep saying.

                              But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                              The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                              Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                              quadhammer@lemmy.world
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                              They’re not communist tho they’re a capitalistic dynasty

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                              • D darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works

                                Yes.

                                Will we?

                                No.

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                                quadhammer@lemmy.world
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                                I’d prefer encouragement over apathy

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                                • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

                                  So our masters keep saying.

                                  But actual Chinese people don’t seem too worried.

                                  The Chinese government gets approval ratings (according to Western pollsters) that western governments can only dream of, and it’s not that mysterious when you consider, the standard of living for most if not all regular people there has been skyrocketing.

                                  Remember that China is the greatest threat to American hegemony and all the powerful people aligned with it. Do you really expect corporate-owned media to give you accurate, unbiased information on such an adversary?

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                                  cyborganism
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                                  I don’t expect China nor the Chinese people to tell the truth either. You wouldn’t want your social score to drop or end up in jail or forced labor.

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                                  • Q quadhammer@lemmy.world

                                    I’d prefer encouragement over apathy

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                                    darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works
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                                    I come from a place of realism, I assure you. The Minister in Ottawa already said that he wanted housing more affordable but to not reduce the value of the houses.

                                    Much of our money is in housing, and many of our politicians are landlords and real estate investors…

                                    The only encouragement I got for you is that the CMHC said that the realistic aim with building new housing is to bring it back to 2019 levels of affordability.

                                    So from nightmarishly unattainable to disgustingly out of reach.

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