But it seems like server wages were abolished.

That previous standard practice was abolished in 2022, Canada-wide. Now, all servers make at least the provincial minimum wage.

I have never had a restaurant ask for a table charge in Japan. I’ve stayed in Tokyo and Osaka a fair bit (months) and have visited Nagano, Nagoya, Kyoto and some smaller cities in between.

I keep telling this to people who think server wages are a thing.

What do you think @gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com ?

Also, even when server wages were a thing pre 2022, they were within a dollar of minimum wage Canada wide. It wasn’t the $2/h Americans have, it was $16 instead of $17.

Tipping is supposed to be rewarding for extra service.

Let me stop you right there. Tipping is supposed to be helping business owners to underpay their employees. It is nice to think that it should be for “extra service” (wtf is that even supposed to mean?) but all you do with tipping is get that servers salary up to an amount that helps them survive another day, financially. Which is what the job should do on its own.

Not sure why I got downvoted, but I’ve been living here for 15 years and it definitely exists. Most of the time, you don’t even notice it because they just charge you with out telling. You might see it in the corner of the menu. Google テーブルチャージ or お通し代.

In the US, if the server doesn’t meet minimum wage using tips the balance comes from the business to ensure the serve has been paid minimum wage. Actual minimum wage, not server minimum wage. All tipping does is subsidize a restaurants labor costs.

Not tipping will definitely lower the income of a server since a lot make over min wage off tips. Labor laws need to change for servers so they aren’t in an exploitable position and have to rely on tips to live and deal with power tripping customers who think servers are their slaves b/c “they’re paying their wage”

Not in Ontario any more.

Apparently not, the way that we see it online, is to shame their customers and calling them cheap pieces of shit.

Absolutely, as well as anybody that asks me for a tip BEFORE providing me with my food/service.

I don’t do tips and I don’t do points. I just want to pay a dollar for something worth a dollar. I think those days are long gone though.

I’ve been in Europe for a week each month this summer for work. I usually just eat in via groceries, but if it’s a café for a coffee in the morning or a dinner out with colleagues the prices are reasonable and tipping is a few €/£ for the entire group, if at all. No card tap payment is handed back to you with pre-calculated tip buttons. It just makes coming back to the US and paying relatively the same price for a meal and then being asked for 20% on top of that seem like bullshit.

Lobby for better labor laws.

Servers are the main opposition to this as they want to make even more via tips. This doesn’t change that tips are optional.

If you aren’t talking about why tipping is a thing. Just shut up about this. Be an asshole or don’t. But just shut the fuck up.

There’s no reason to be mad at people who are underpaid. Be mad about why and how they’re underpaid. Be mad at who is underpaying them.

No one downvoted you (or at least I didn’t). I’ll keep an eye out next time, but I usually pay cash and it’s exactly what the meal costs.

I refuse to tip in any situation where someone just makes something and hands it to me. Bare minimum, at least take my order at the table, and deliver it to my table. That gets you 10%.

I like that the image shows 5/10/15%. I haven’t seen THAT since the early 2000s. More commonly, starting 15/20/25 or 15/18/20, these days.

Absolutely infuriating.

Every generation since the boomers has had 1/4th the proportional wealth of the previous generation at the same points in their development.

Millennials have 1/4th the buying power of boomers, gen-z has 1/16th the buying power of boomers at any given age.

Wealth inequality is killing us all

Do not make blanket statements like this about the United States. Every state has different laws. Quite a few states have laws on the books that legally require all employees regardless of work to be paid full minimum wage so anyone making tips is getting paid significantly better than all the other minimum wage workers around them

It literally takes one to three finger presses on a machine to opt out of tipping when you don’t feel like it’s appropriate. I don’t understand why this has to be discussed over and over. It’s the lowest hanging fruit social norms change ever.

The thing is, touristy places like Vancouver will only ever see these go up because tourists are generally biased to believe that tipping 20% is normal. Get used to choosing “Other %”, it’s that easy.