Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says
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Now do rabbits, mice, bats, primates and everything with a brain actually.
Most people only view cats and dogs of having any value worth protecting, which is terrible.
Oh, by the way, Doug’s government also wants to make it illegal for people to know about the cruelty on factory farms.
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Yeah not to mention animal testing isn’t just for human medical advancements… a lot of animal testing is to develop treatments for animal diseases, test new diet ingredients (after which the animals are adopted out), etc…
Sadly most aren’t adopted out as their systems/organs are wrecked so they get euthenized
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Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says
Ontario will ban research testing on dogs and cats, Premier Doug Ford said Monday as he called the practice “cruel.”
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Incredibly shortsighted and he’s demonstrating his ignorance of the laws of his own country.
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In regard to some avenues of research that’s too bad. Cats are a point of study for weight gain and loss since they appear to have issues similar to us. Some cats gain and hold weight faster than their mates with similar amounts of food. Some cats compulsively overeat while their mates do not. And so on.
We do test some things on humans for human diseases, and we have strict guidelines on proving safety / efficacy before human tests are approved + how those human tests are conducted. It might be helpful for everyone (humans / animals) to adopt some of those guidelines to animal studies.
Since yes, as you said, studying why cats suffer health issues can improve the lives of lots of animals. The key is doing the studies compassionately
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Incredibly shortsighted and he’s demonstrating his ignorance of the laws of his own country.
What is the decision framework they used that led to them approving inducing 3hr heart attacks in beagle puppies before killing them?
People here seem happy to have blind faith in the system when it produced results that are objectively horrific. I would genuinely like to understand what the cost/benefit analysis was, what alternatives methods of research were considered, and why they weren’t viable.
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Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says
Ontario will ban research testing on dogs and cats, Premier Doug Ford said Monday as he called the practice “cruel.”
CP24 (www.cp24.com)
What makes dogs and cats special?
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Ford wants to use cyclists instead. They’re not people like dogs are.
Bad incidents with dogs and cats? 0
Bad incidents with belligerent cyclists: 2
One group appears to be more civilized.
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Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says
Ontario will ban research testing on dogs and cats, Premier Doug Ford said Monday as he called the practice “cruel.”
CP24 (www.cp24.com)
So all testing will be done on humans. Got it. (No animal testing means no testing, meaning the first application are humans, and thus you are the testers. Yay!)
Pick a lane, Doug.
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Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says
Ontario will ban research testing on dogs and cats, Premier Doug Ford said Monday as he called the practice “cruel.”
CP24 (www.cp24.com)
I believe that they were testing on dogs because they were developing medicine for dogs…
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as he called the practice “cruel.”
Cool. Then we can agree that fishing, animal-based agriculture, hunting, fur farms, and puppy mills should be banned, too? Right, Doug?
Puppy mills I agree on, and fur farms just seem like a mess. But not hunting causes a ton of problems too, and hunting does not have to be done cruelly.
Deer can get fucked. Black bears act like your neighbourhood raccoons when you let them over populate which is a problem.
At least with deer we could release more wolves to control the population, but I do think we should bring back the bear hunt.
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What is the decision framework they used that led to them approving inducing 3hr heart attacks in beagle puppies before killing them?
People here seem happy to have blind faith in the system when it produced results that are objectively horrific. I would genuinely like to understand what the cost/benefit analysis was, what alternatives methods of research were considered, and why they weren’t viable.
People want to be contrarian and support animal abuse just because it’s Doug Ford.
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as he called the practice “cruel.”
Cool. Then we can agree that fishing, animal-based agriculture, hunting, fur farms, and puppy mills should be banned, too? Right, Doug?
It’s all or nothing. Might as not do anything according to that logic…
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So all testing will be done on humans. Got it. (No animal testing means no testing, meaning the first application are humans, and thus you are the testers. Yay!)
Pick a lane, Doug.
No, you misunderstand. Mice, rabbits or monkeys are still fair game.
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What is the decision framework they used that led to them approving inducing 3hr heart attacks in beagle puppies before killing them?
People here seem happy to have blind faith in the system when it produced results that are objectively horrific. I would genuinely like to understand what the cost/benefit analysis was, what alternatives methods of research were considered, and why they weren’t viable.
Almost certainly they were anesthetised the whole time.
I would genuinely like to understand what the cost/benefit analysis was, what alternatives methods of research were considered, and why they weren’t viable.
In some jurisdictions, I think that’s published. Not sure about Ontario.
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Now do rabbits, mice, bats, primates and everything with a brain actually.
Wouldn’t that include the eventual patients as well, for new treatments?
Like, there’s strong questions about specism here, but somebody is going to have to go first.
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What makes dogs and cats special?
Nothing, but in the Anglosphere people think there is. It’s a perfect culture war to pick in a way, because you can’t argue killing dogs is cool, and nuanced points about human attitudes to animals are very easy to shout over.
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Puppy mills I agree on, and fur farms just seem like a mess. But not hunting causes a ton of problems too, and hunting does not have to be done cruelly.
Deer can get fucked. Black bears act like your neighbourhood raccoons when you let them over populate which is a problem.
At least with deer we could release more wolves to control the population, but I do think we should bring back the bear hunt.
Ontario has both a spring and fall bear hunt.
Black bear | Ontario Hunting Regulations Summary
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We do test some things on humans for human diseases, and we have strict guidelines on proving safety / efficacy before human tests are approved + how those human tests are conducted. It might be helpful for everyone (humans / animals) to adopt some of those guidelines to animal studies.
Since yes, as you said, studying why cats suffer health issues can improve the lives of lots of animals. The key is doing the studies compassionately
It was recently announced that a new study using cats showed they developed dementia the same way humans do.
Cats develop dementia in a similar way to humans
Scientists in Edinburgh believe the discovery could help their research into new treatments for Alzheimer's.
(www.bbc.com)
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There are national regulations covering animal research under the legislating body, the CCAC.
This. (For people who aren’t familiar with them) Regulations are also very strict to ensure the animals are cared for very well and not in pain, etc.
I’m not all for animal testing, but for some things it’s still necessary, sadly.
People are researching many alternatives to reduce animal experimentation as much as possible.
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We do test some things on humans for human diseases, and we have strict guidelines on proving safety / efficacy before human tests are approved + how those human tests are conducted. It might be helpful for everyone (humans / animals) to adopt some of those guidelines to animal studies.
Since yes, as you said, studying why cats suffer health issues can improve the lives of lots of animals. The key is doing the studies compassionately
There are regulations, but they’re not the same. I think it’s not really appropriate to compare animal testing to human testing for the primary reason that humans have the ability to provide consent.
For animal testing, I really don’t like the current idea being proposed here of basing this on how we feel about cats and dogs vs. mice and other animals. Some other metric like brain size or something about consciousness maybe, but that’s very hard to determine as well.
While I personally think there’s enough benefit to society to do some animal testing, I think a law that said no animal testing would be more ethically consistent than banning only cats and dogs.
The real thing that should be addressed here is better regulation, not arbitrary bans.
