Canadian parliament gives standing ovation to honor Charlie Kirk.
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Problem with that though is their intention was specifically him. You’re removing their motive from this by saying they could have not talked about him. Their motive was him. Honoring him. Lionizing him. Making a
murdermartyr of him. You can’t take away the motive.I think someone already made a murder of him. Maybe the word you meant was martyr?
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Sharing a post from Skeletor
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If this is such a systemic problem that it alters elections, the problem is with the system.
The individuals are doing a risk/benefit assessment at a micro level. It is more damaging for them to have a conservative government than it is for them to have a liberal government and that may weigh more to them than the incredibly slim possibility of having an ndp government.
You cant penalize people for picking what is in their best interest. And they can still be pissed off that the best choice they had still led to a shitty outcome.
If you want something different, the system needs to change.
100% that we need reform, something the Liberals will not give us.
At some point though we have to admit that our system is less one rigged for a specific party at it’s core and more one that benefits the most established party at the time. If we all voted for a different party they would ultimately win. A huge reason why people say they won’t vote NDP is because they claim that the party “doesn’t have a chance”. If they wanted that party to win_before_ voting for them then we deserve everything we get because as a population we’re too fucking stupid for any other outcome.
Also all strategic voting does here is ratchet everything to the right and raises the stake for the following election. We decided to let it go for a while and now all we really have is the center-right and far-right. Congrats to every spineless coward who got us here and screamed loud and clear that what they want to see more of is pathetic corporate centrism.
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Misleading title. Yes, Charlie Kirk’s assassination sparked a conversation about the importance of free speech and disavowing political violence. The standing ovation was not for Charlie, but for the outcome of that speech.
Still, you’d think they’d at least TRY to be reasonable with the optics of the conversation.
They don’t seem interested in optics given their other clown behaviour of inviting PJ2025 galaxy brains to speak behind closrd doors.
Canada didn’t cancel on them from backlash. The garbage people they invited did.
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100% that we need reform, something the Liberals will not give us.
At some point though we have to admit that our system is less one rigged for a specific party at it’s core and more one that benefits the most established party at the time. If we all voted for a different party they would ultimately win. A huge reason why people say they won’t vote NDP is because they claim that the party “doesn’t have a chance”. If they wanted that party to win_before_ voting for them then we deserve everything we get because as a population we’re too fucking stupid for any other outcome.
Also all strategic voting does here is ratchet everything to the right and raises the stake for the following election. We decided to let it go for a while and now all we really have is the center-right and far-right. Congrats to every spineless coward who got us here and screamed loud and clear that what they want to see more of is pathetic corporate centrism.
Again, they aren’t spineless cowards when their choices are “evil” and “pretty shitty.” They are voting for what is best for them.
You can say that they have other choices, but as individuals, they really do not. Any other vote is essentially a vote for “evil”
Look what happened down south. You think those people who voted for Jill Stein are happy that trump got in?
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What the fuck is that
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I think someone already made a murder of him. Maybe the word you meant was martyr?
Damn voice to text, thanks.
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Again, they aren’t spineless cowards when their choices are “evil” and “pretty shitty.” They are voting for what is best for them.
You can say that they have other choices, but as individuals, they really do not. Any other vote is essentially a vote for “evil”
Look what happened down south. You think those people who voted for Jill Stein are happy that trump got in?
The States have a two-party system and because in their primaries they completely fuck it up every time, including plenty of corruption from the democratic party itself, they got to where they are. This is what we need to avoid, but we’re too busy looking at our feet as we walk towards a similar fate.
That said, we aren’t in the US, we’re in Canada, in case you weren’t aware. Our biggest issue is that the NDP can get half the votes that the Liberals got in 2019 and more than them in 2021 yet we see seat splits of 157 to 24 and 160 to 25. Flip your example around, and can you imagine how many people who voted “strategically” helped cause their ridings to lose out on NDP candidates? People claim they have no chance as if the country doesn’t want them but millions upon millions do. And then today we’re still all fucking miserable, a shithead banker is in charge, and the one party that fought for us(and actually got shit done when they put a gun to the Liberals with the coalition) lost pretty much everything.
We must really hate ourselves, to constantly fall for this bullshit. Conservatives AND Liberals are suffocating this country; do you want to let it die while pretending you’re doing the right thing or do want to actually do the bare fucking minimum and vote for the party whose platform actually aligns with your views?
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You cannot be a good person and a nazi, you are still a nazi.
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Conservative MP for Lethbridge Rachel Thomas pays tribute to Charlie Kirk in the House of Commons, calls for the defence of free speech and against political violence. She gets a standing ovation from the Conservatives and the Liberals.
Emphasis mine.
So a Canadian talks about defence of free speech when we don’t even have free speech as a right. We have limits on what we can say.
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Maybe if all the “strategic voters” had even a little bit of a spine. “I prefer the NDP but I need to vote NDP! Hey, why does the NDP not get any support?!”
How many Canadians flatly refuse to vote for what they believe while being mad that the government isn’t reading their minds? We aggressively signal that we do not want the NDP and then get mad that they aren’t the thing we keep showing them that we do not want. Get a clue.
Sorry I’m a xis make the current NDP doesn’t want me there is no fucking way I’m voting for them.
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She’s welcome to listen to what she wants, i was just surprised the respect she had for him given he wants a world where she wouldn’t have rights.
So she’s stupid just like the minorities who cited for Trump. I’ll never understand them.
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Read the article, title is clickbait.
They could have made the speech without mentioning him or mentioning others. How come no speech when two Democrats politicians shot? How come only when some conservative asshole who isn’t even a politician?
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Misleading title. Yes, Charlie Kirk’s assassination sparked a conversation about the importance of free speech and disavowing political violence. The standing ovation was not for Charlie, but for the outcome of that speech.
Still, you’d think they’d at least TRY to be reasonable with the optics of the conversation.
That countservative hag’s words made them stand for Kirk.
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Why the fuck is our supposedly liberal government giving standard ovations to conservative pundits? What do they hope to accomplish by pushing this rhetoric? Right wingers will never see this and think “wow maybe I’ll vote liberal next election” you fucking idiots. I hate everything.
I wrote to my MP because of this. Absolutely disgusting behaviour to appalled Kirk and they fell for it.
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Sorry I’m a xis make the current NDP doesn’t want me there is no fucking way I’m voting for them.
Stop being so butthurt about some bad wording in a doc, you were never gonna vote NDP face it
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Does anyone know what’s going on in this context? Is this a part of the trade negotiations or something?
It’s part of Carney and the shitlibs sucking the US and Trump off, elbows down you might say. Capitulation, praise and acquiescence is their modus operandi. They have no intention of standing up for Canada, it’s all been lies.
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yeah see the thing about this is that most people would say that good stuff
but good people don’t also say the bad stuff
and anybody who thinks somebody is good solely because they said some good stuff is a fucking idiot, you have to consider the bad and change your view accordingly (like hopefully that woman did). but most maga nutjobs aren’t rn, they just ignore what they don’t like
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Liberalism is inherently a right wing political ideology. It uses socially progressive issues for the working class to promote financial and commercial policies that benefit the ruling class.
Correct.
