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China will remove canola tariffs if Canada scraps EV levies: ambassador

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  • D donkmagnum@lemy.lol

    lol. Do you really think the economic impact of our canola industry is on par with the potential impact Chinese EVs? It’s a ridiculous notion.

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    Em Adespoton
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    Is it? Have you run the numbers?

    Just think about the amount of land in Canada dedicated to growing canola vs the amount dedicated to building EVs. Or the number of people employed, for that matter.

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    • S snoons@lemmy.ca

      I don’t drive, but that’d be cool if canola oil became even cheaper. :3

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      blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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      The oil would become more expensive, because it can now be exported cheaper.

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      • I indridcold@lemmy.ca

        I say we do this. The ONLY reason Canada put tariffs on Chinese EVs is because of the US - back when the US was our friend. Those days are well over.

        From what I understand, Chinese EVs out perform the US ones (charge quicker with longer range) and are way cheaper.

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        blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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        I have a security concern with Chinese EVs.

        They’re far too computerized, and connected, at this point.

        The last thing I want is the ability for the Chinese government to disable a quarter of the Canadian vehicle fleet if they decided they wanted to. Or potentially even worse than disabling them in some cases.

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          a_a@lemmy.world
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          #15

          Between USA that has gone completely mad and this other superpower, China, that supports Russia, which wages war against its allies, this put Canada in a difficult situation. Canola and electric vehicles might just be entry level bargaining points … who knows, certainly not me.

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          • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

            The oil would become more expensive, because it can now be exported cheaper.

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            snoons@lemmy.ca
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            #16

            Dang peacocks 😠

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              agm@lemmy.ca
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              #17

              On October 8th, after Carney’s meeting with Trump, Lutnick said that the US is going to insist on dominating the North American auto market and have assembly all happen in the US with Canada being forced into a subordinate role.

              We need alternatives.

              I doubt we will make this deal with China, because the US will not tolerate that, but it would be much better for Canadians.

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              • Red WhackerR Red Whacker

                @DonkMagnum @IndridCold Not a fan of China, but it's sort of rich to demand non-interference when inferring some interference ourselves.

                Maybe if China agrees to stop being a threat to Taiwan, stops interfering in our politics

                Also this is rich:

                builds some auto plants here to employ some Canadians,

                So does that mean we will be basing our canola growers in China?

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                twopi@lemmy.ca
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                You forgot one thing, when OP has a bad take it is called “the correct opinion and the obvious stance expressed with freedom” when some else does (or has a good take that OP doesn’t like) it’s called bots interfering in our politics.

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                • I indridcold@lemmy.ca

                  I say we do this. The ONLY reason Canada put tariffs on Chinese EVs is because of the US - back when the US was our friend. Those days are well over.

                  From what I understand, Chinese EVs out perform the US ones (charge quicker with longer range) and are way cheaper.

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                  reddig33@lemmy.world
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                  #19

                  China isn’t Canada’s friend. Spending money on Chinese goods means you are funding Russia’s war against Ukraine.

                  If you need to import something, why not import it from the EU? They make EVs. As does South Korea.

                  reuters.com

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                    kyle@lemmy.ca
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                    With Canada so obsessed with keeping vehicle manufacturing jobs to the detriment of every Canadian not wanting to buy American cars. Why does Canada drop the Chinese tarrifs but demand certain assembly and manufacturing of Chinese vehicles happen in Canada?

                    Sounds like a win win, but they are too stuck on the idea they should only manufacture cars from incumbent companies that are stuck in the past. Canada has significant geological resources like lithium and rare earth metals is an even better reason to be excited about EV production in Canada.

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                      ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                      #21

                      Sounds like an easy decision; we sell our rapeseed and get non-American cars.

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                      • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                        I have a security concern with Chinese EVs.

                        They’re far too computerized, and connected, at this point.

                        The last thing I want is the ability for the Chinese government to disable a quarter of the Canadian vehicle fleet if they decided they wanted to. Or potentially even worse than disabling them in some cases.

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                        #22

                        American cars are the same, and China hasn’t joked about making us their 24th province.

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                        • R reddig33@lemmy.world

                          China isn’t Canada’s friend. Spending money on Chinese goods means you are funding Russia’s war against Ukraine.

                          If you need to import something, why not import it from the EU? They make EVs. As does South Korea.

                          reuters.com

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                          (www.reuters.com)

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                          acargitz
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                          This reasoning is weird. Was buying American goods or UK goods or German goods funding Israel’s genocide in Gaza??

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                            #24

                            Australians have access to Chinese EVs, why can’t we?

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                              ikidd@lemmy.world
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                              Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I’m guessing it’s non-zero.

                              I’d love to see canola embargoes open because I have a bunch of bins full, but is this fair to other vendors, domestic and other foreign makers?

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                              • acargitzT acargitz

                                American cars are the same, and China hasn’t joked about making us their 24th province.

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                                blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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                                I’m far less concerned about the American government disabling vehicles in Canada. If America wanted to take us over we couldn’t even dream of stopping them.

                                China could benefit from causing problems though.

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                                  Canada needs to diversify the trade to rely less on the USA. The current gov has a huge problem on their hands but also opportunities to do something new!

                                  When it comes to the EV tariffs I see opportunities for Canada, we have factories, some of the raw materials, Human Resources, experienceand logistics in place for the automotive industry! The Ev industry needs more than the cars there is a new ecosystem that can be worked with Chinese companies by doing knowledge transfer, manufacture autos + parts by bringing the suppliers as well. EVs need batteries and the charging network, we can bring these items to the trade talks.

                                  China al has the largest high-speed rail network and why not expand the deals to help Canada build our high-speed rail Network?

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                                  • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                                    I’m far less concerned about the American government disabling vehicles in Canada. If America wanted to take us over we couldn’t even dream of stopping them.

                                    China could benefit from causing problems though.

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                                    acargitz
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                                    #28

                                    At this point it’s not even inconceivable for Americans to do something as retaliation for, say, Dougie Ford shutting down electricity. Or use it as a bargain chip as part of playing it tough in a negotiation.

                                    Or forget the taking us over bit. It’s not the taking over that is hard for them, it’s keeping control. We can very effectively resist and make the occupation extremely costly for them. Every bit of leverage they have makes this harder.

                                    Fuck, is it that inconceivable that if they go full Gilead they wouldn’t start shit like controlling whether you can drive your car to an abortion clinic?

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                                    • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

                                      I have a security concern with Chinese EVs.

                                      They’re far too computerized, and connected, at this point.

                                      The last thing I want is the ability for the Chinese government to disable a quarter of the Canadian vehicle fleet if they decided they wanted to. Or potentially even worse than disabling them in some cases.

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                                      melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                                      Canada should not buy those american F35’s for exactly the same reason(s).

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                                        melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                                        I’d buy a Chinese EV. I need an inexpensive vehicle to go from A to B in a city. There doesn’t seem to be an inexpensive option anymore in North America.

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                                        • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

                                          I’d buy a Chinese EV. I need an inexpensive vehicle to go from A to B in a city. There doesn’t seem to be an inexpensive option anymore in North America.

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                                          betanumerus@lemmy.ca
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                                          “inexpensive vehicle” usually means a pre-owned vehicle and there are plenty of affordable pre-owned EVs and hybrids on the market. If you’re the kind who buys new cars, then Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are the least expensive. If you compare with new ICE cars, don’t forget to account for gasoline cost.

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