Tesla has government assistance programs in US and Canada, but $35000 Tesla does not compete with $14000 Chinese car

Is that a yes or no?

Bye troll

Get a grip. So, assuming you realize that you just admitted Canada has a double standard for banning subsidized electric vehicles, why not force the US to offer you a better deal? Tesla has no issue operating in China. Where is your spine?

There is/should be a lot of room for compromise.

A mix of “reasonable” tariffs and quotas to start, to make Chinese EVs competitive without destroying domestic manufacturing is a good path. Canada needs investment. Whether foreign auto makers do it, following through on previous commitments, shutting out China can be a reward for them.

Without choosing to provide value cars to Canadians, Canada could offer agriculture for Chinese (solar) energy trade. Pemitting them to boost capacity even more.

Instead of begging the US to buy (and own through investment) our resources, Chinese development would help significantly as well.

Corrupt ideology programmed into Canadians is bad for Canada. We need new friends instead of abusers, and the only reform of an abuser possible comes when they beg for forgiveness when you flirt with new friends.

There are a few good defcon talks where it has been shown that the engine control and body control can be accessed and modified via the “infotainment” system (the one I saw specifically was Jeeps).

I don’t even think China is interested in any wars over Taiwan. I’m fairly certain it will be a peaceful rejoining once the US crumbles, akin to East and West Germany during the fall of the Soviet Union.

Sure there are some human rights issues

They only kill people I don’t care about in mines and factories, so it’s cool!

It takes me 35min to drive to work, by public transit it would take me 2h. Ontario is fucked.

Because cars assembled in Canada cost more, a lot more compared to slave labour.

This is possible with most modern vehicles today. They nearly all have cellular modems built in and very few have the driving related systems separated from the ‘infotainment’ crapware. 2014ish jeeps could be bricked by OTA updates to the fucking radio, there’s a good Defcon talk about it

Hey, remember when China was operating their own police force in Canada? Maybe we should be doing less business with them.

IP theft

lol. lmao.

Yup. It’s not why I left but it is why I’m never moving back.

Not only am I not aware, I also don’t care.

My point is more that there are few countries I can think of that are viable trading partners that aren’t committing appalling human rights abuses Joe.

Yes, but I’d much rather have the company controlling the official switch not be directly under the control of China.

The US is only marginally better right now, but they have less incentive to do it and less control of their car companies.

Once you’re inside a car that’s on, there really isn’t any security*. The OBD2 port that every remotely modern car has is perfectly capable of accessing all the diagnostics and data streams the car has, and can also control/reconfigure the various computers.

IMO that doesn’t really matter, since the system isn’t powered until the key is in the ignition and the car turned on. You can’t do anything with the key off, and if your passenger wanted to sabotage the car, they’d just yank the wheel as you drive down the highway.

That said, yes OTA updates are a travesty. Specifically because cars have so little security, having any access to their computers from the outside is a massive risk… And if there’s a potential that the country the manufacturer is in turns hostile, that risk certainly isn’t reduced.

* A handful of manufacturers have “added” security to their systems by… (drumroll pls) restricting access to the systems and requiring a subscription for full access. That’s fucking evil and doesn’t even do anything (at least for a mechanic or tinkerer like me) since you can just google “FCA bypass cable” and skip right past the firewall.

The timing seems suspicious. Crops are sold already, with tariffs, and now it’s 11 months with no sales.

Come back in 9 months and we can talk.

Serious question; how much does China subsidize EV sales to glut markets and buy market share? I’m guessing it’s non-zero.

Probably less than our subsidies.