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Quebec to ban religious symbols in daycare centres

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  • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    I’m conflicted on this one. It seems to be framed as hateful against Middle-eastsrn religions in particular, but doesn’t it restrict ALL religious symbols? I’m all for less religion in public places, regardless of the religion.

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    rozodru
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    It’s Quebec. they love to pick and choose their hate. yes it’s specifically targeted towards Muslims, no they wont’ remove Christian symbols, yes Quebec has always been pithy like this.

    Remember back in the 90s when they wanted to ditch us but keep the money? this is just more pithy Quebecois bullshit.

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    • J jillyb@beehaw.org

      Hey look, me at 16

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      chloroken@lemmy.ml
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      Hey look, me at 13

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      • U unrefinedchihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        I’m Canadian, pro-immigration, and yet I don’t believe religious symbols belong in a child’s daycare or school, regardless of the religion. I agree with this move.

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        dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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        This legislation unfairly targets Muslims, in particular women.

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        • M montreal_metro@lemmy.ca

          The giant cross on the top of Mount Royal is a religious symbol too so they should remove it asap.

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          dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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          It’s not a daycare though. Neither is the oratory.

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          • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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            dubyakay@lemmy.ca
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            #36

            Freedom of expression is also protected under federal law.

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            • K Krudler

              Other than Manitoba, it’s the most racist and intolerant province I’ve lived in.

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              tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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              #37

              Never heard this one. Care to explain on it ?

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              • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                Never heard this one. Care to explain on it ?

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                Krudler
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                #38

                Well now you’ve heard it. That’s your explanation - don’t play dumb, it’s not becoming.

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                • K Krudler

                  Well now you’ve heard it. That’s your explanation - don’t play dumb, it’s not becoming.

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                  tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                  #39

                  No. I’m genuinely interested by your take. I’m all in to say that Quebec is one of the most racist province but I want (liked) some external experience

                  Edit: also I’ve heard Quebec is racist as Alberta but never as Manitoba

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                  • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                    I took it from a news article from last week, which suggests pretty strongly that that proposal is exactly what was implemented, and they never produced an updated graphic.

                    But again, I’d welcome a genuine correction.

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                    k_rol
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                    Just underneath that picture it says it was not implemented.

                    In 2013, a minority PQ government proposed the notorious “charter of Quebec values,” aiming to ban religious symbols for public servants, but it went nowhere after the PQ lost the 2014 election.

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                    • 007Ace0 007Ace

                      It is very interesting to see the pendulum swing. I do find the title misleading as the article appears to only apply to wearing religious symbols and it only applying to new employees as already employed are exempt.

                      It also doesn’t seem to differentiate between public, private or subsidized daycares. Lots of open air in this article.

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                      indridcold@lemmy.ca
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                      #41

                      I’m an anti-theist and believe religion does untold damage to society. In my perfect world I’m completely for the removal of all religion iconography in publicly funded institutions. This includes clothing, jewellery, and gaudy John 3:16 t-shirts.

                      If it’s private, do whatever you want. If you want a grotesque image of your dead god on a cross hanging on your wall, you do you. I just don’t want to pay for that out of my tax dollars.

                      That said, I understand people wear a bunch of stupid shit for their gods, and that is a freedom of expression that should be protected. If someone wears a magic cross, bulletproof underwear of protection, or has to hide their hair because their god hates hairdos, then whatever. That in itself probably isn’t going to hang black people, start an ethnic genocide, or fly planes into buildings.

                      As long as these religious kooks don’t spout their hateful superstitious bullshit to the kids, I’m fine with it.

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                      • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                        Caliss que l’on est gourverné par des envies de chier

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                        softestsapphic@lemmy.world
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                        #42

                        Religion is social cancer, and religiously indoctrinating children should count as abuse

                        It should be illegal for children to practice religion, let them grow into adults, and then they can make their own decisions.

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                        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                          Religion is social cancer, and religiously indoctrinating children should count as abuse

                          It should be illegal for children to practice religion, let them grow into adults, and then they can make their own decisions.

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                          tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                          Invisibilising women will only create more hatred and discension. This is not how what you want will work.

                          And nobodies is practicing religion into a CPE it goes against law already

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                          • mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.comM mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            Their cultural symbols and practices are protected under Federal Law.

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                            dopeoplelookhere@sh.itjust.works
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                            Right up until the not withstanding clause is invoked…

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                            • 007Ace0 007Ace

                              It is very interesting to see the pendulum swing. I do find the title misleading as the article appears to only apply to wearing religious symbols and it only applying to new employees as already employed are exempt.

                              It also doesn’t seem to differentiate between public, private or subsidized daycares. Lots of open air in this article.

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                              dopeoplelookhere@sh.itjust.works
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                              Can I ask what pendulum? Because Quebec has been doing this for decades.

                              Quebec Soccer Federation rever… https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-soccer-federation-reverses-turban-ban-1.1319350

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                              • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                Caliss que l’on est gourverné par des envies de chier

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                                jhex@lemmy.world
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                                I couldn’t care less about any organized religion and IMO they all do more harm than good; however, being Quebec, this is 100% a poke to flame hatred towards Muslims… entirely hypocritical

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                                • D dubyakay@lemmy.ca

                                  It’s not a daycare though. Neither is the oratory.

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                                  tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                  There’s a bunch of cross on school outer wall troughs out Quebec. The CAQ didn’t see it important to rip them out because « they’re patrimoine »

                                  Hypocritical fuckers

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                                  • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                    Invisibilising women will only create more hatred and discension. This is not how what you want will work.

                                    And nobodies is practicing religion into a CPE it goes against law already

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                                    softestsapphic@lemmy.world
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                                    Cool, then if it isn’t allowed to be practiced in schools, then there’s no problem with this, it’s just a continuation of existing policy.

                                    There is no world where children being religiously indoctrinated creates LESS hatred and division.

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                                    • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                                      Cool, then if it isn’t allowed to be practiced in schools, then there’s no problem with this, it’s just a continuation of existing policy.

                                      There is no world where children being religiously indoctrinated creates LESS hatred and division.

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                                      tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                      The problem is not practicing, the problem is some faith ask their people to clothe in a certain way.

                                      Invisibilising this people will not bring what the government search

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                                      • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                        Caliss que l’on est gourverné par des envies de chier

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                                        betanumerus@lemmy.ca
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                                        Is a Christmas decoration a religious symbol? Or is Christmas now entirely commercial.

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                                        • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                          The problem is not practicing, the problem is some faith ask their people to clothe in a certain way.

                                          Invisibilising this people will not bring what the government search

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                                          softestsapphic@lemmy.world
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                                          You keep using that word like it means anything in this context.

                                          What people do in private is not really enforceable

                                          But in public no religion should be shown prefrence or even respect.

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