Quebec to ban public prayer in sweeping new secularism law
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What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.
That is not push on a non-racism way in Quebec. Like I said they don’t want to use the law equally, they want to use it specifically against Muslim.
And so far, from my perspective (that is a confirmation biais), no one debate the idea without a racist undertone
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The prayer part is irrelevant. They’re being a danger and an asshole.
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Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.
Nothing wrong with public prayer, even a large gathering. I’m an atheist, and as long as no one is causing a health or safety issue, fuck it.
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It’s not racism with more steps. You don’t even know it has not been enforced improperly. It’s a lot easier to enforce enforcement than it is to stop people ruining the world
Praying doesn’t ruin the world. Just like having a party, or a poetry slam, or Shakespeare in the park.
It’s behaviors that cause health or safety issues that are the problem.
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Nothing wrong with public prayer, even a large gathering. I’m an atheist, and as long as no one is causing a health or safety issue, fuck it.
Well I don’t feel very comfortable in a space like that personally.
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Praying doesn’t ruin the world. Just like having a party, or a poetry slam, or Shakespeare in the park.
It’s behaviors that cause health or safety issues that are the problem.
Praying in PUBLIC is like having sex in public. Don’t.
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Praying in PUBLIC is like having sex in public. Don’t.
Sorry, can you expand on the ways prayer is like sex? Are people praying with their dicks out in your vicinity?
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I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.
Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?
I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?
Do you feel that you should be able to hold hands with a same sex partner in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable?
Do you feel that you should be able to be trans in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable?
Maybe people being uncomfortable is not a good yardstick for determining what people can do in public.
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Sorry, can you expand on the ways prayer is like sex? Are people praying with their dicks out in your vicinity?
It’s personal and private and children shouldn’t be exposed to it. It’s not wrong, and you can do it, but keep it away from me and mine.
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It’s personal and private and children shouldn’t be exposed to it. It’s not wrong, and you can do it, but keep it away from me and mine.
Have you considered being less nosy? Minding your business?
I’m no lover of religion but I love this culture policing even less.
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What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.
The context made it so that people conflates the two.
Medias and public debates pretty much always framed the issue of religion in public as a racist thing (in order to get more views) instead of only talking how the CAQ government targetted non-christian religions with their bill.
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What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.
Sure, you can be against it for authoritarian reasons as well. Disturbing.
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Praying in PUBLIC is like having sex in public. Don’t.
So someone praying before a meal is an equivalent obscenity?
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Well I don’t feel very comfortable in a space like that personally.
Then don’t be in that space?
So you feel the same when a bunch of people are meditating? Same action, really.
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I would say about the same number of people are offended by profanity in public as they are religious acts in public. Moreover, I would estimate the number who are offended by sex acts in public is much higher than either of these. So, for the sake of other people’s sensibilities, shall we ban public profanity?
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Sure, you can be against it for authoritarian reasons as well. Disturbing.
I don’t really see how that’s related. Even if it were motivated by racism, that’d be equally authoritarian to any other motive, since authoritarianism is about ceding rights from individuals to the government and it doesn’t matter what the motivation for that is.
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Well I don’t feel very comfortable in a space like that personally.
live and let live. your discomfort is all your own.
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Sure, you can be against it for authoritarian reasons as well. Disturbing.
Religion has been used time and time again to justify committing atrocities and still used as such today.
There is a legitimate debate to be had about the religion’s place in a society.
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That is not push on a non-racism way in Quebec. Like I said they don’t want to use the law equally, they want to use it specifically against Muslim.
And so far, from my perspective (that is a confirmation biais), no one debate the idea without a racist undertone
That’s my issue as well with the bill. Just look at the crucifix at the Assembly. They didn’t remove it, they just moved it outside the room. If the intent of the law was really to remove religion from the public space, it wouldn’t have been a debate about keeping the crucifix in the Assembly.
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People are uncomfortable with it explicitly because religion made it so.
Monkeys will fuck right in front of us and not give a shit.
