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Proposed Alberta separation referendum question approved | Globalnews.ca

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  • R radiofreebc@lemmy.world

    What is an “Albertan”? Cars have existed longer than Alberta has. We’re all immigrants.

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    can@sh.itjust.works
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    We’re all immigrants.

    Most of us anyway.

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    • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

      The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.

      The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.

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      Warehouse
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      You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?

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        You think the people who signed the Forever Canadian petition are all people who want to leave Canada?

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        jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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        Haha no, where did you get that out of what I said?

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        • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

          Haha no, where did you get that out of what I said?

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          Warehouse
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          My bad, it seemed like you were implying that the 38.7% of people who signed the Forever Canadian petition and the 30% who are (or at least were) for Alberta separatism were the exact same group.

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          • R radiofreebc@lemmy.world

            What money are they going to use? How could this end up any other way than Alberta becoming Nigeria North? If they think Daddy Trump is going to save them, i have a handful of bankrupt casinos to sell them.

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            dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca
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            #46

            What money are they going to use?

            US dollar, probably.

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            • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

              Deported to el Salvador and Libya, following the path of maplemaga’s deity.

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              dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca
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              #47

              How about Tegan and Sara, Kinnie Starr , and Rachel Notley?

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              • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.

                The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.

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                darkonion@lemmy.world
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                I think the real reason the UCP leadership puts this kind of crazy stuff on the ballot is to make sure that 30% shows up to vote in force. If everyone else turns up to vote, or their base had a regular level of turnout, then they’d have no shot.

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                • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                  please go.

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                  dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca
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                  some thoughts:

                  ​

                  .1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.

                  ​

                  .2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.

                  ​

                  .3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.

                  ​

                  1. A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.

                  If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.

                  Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.

                  ​

                  .5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.

                  ​

                  .6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.

                  (If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)

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                  • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                    please go.

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                    olivemoon@lemmy.ca
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                    I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?

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                    • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                      The real danger is voter apathy, with Albertans figuring there’s no way separation will win based on the high number of sigs on the petition so they don’t bother voting, much like Brexit.

                      The last AB referendum showed 38.7% of eligible voters voted. If that number holds the same, and your number of 30% want to separate is correct, it’s over. Every single traitor is going to vote, which could result in a landslide separatist win with 77% of voters voting to separate.

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                      olivemoon@lemmy.ca
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                      #51

                      So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??

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                      • D dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca

                        some thoughts:

                        ​

                        .1. It would mean fewer Conservatives in Parliament.

                        ​

                        .2. For those Canadians who want to become American citizens, they could move to Alberta. Indeed, Canada could invite millions of Latin Americans to become citizens of Canada, and then they go to Alberta, and when Albertans becomes American citizens, so might they.

                        ​

                        .3. Alberta is nothing without fossil fuels; it’s a shit province without oil and gas: I suspect this is what many conservatives believe.

                        ​

                        1. A clique of Maple MAGAts take over the Albertan government, and declare independence. They might have a bogus referendum which they win. Trump’s America recognizes it, perhaps immediately, or perhaps after a while of helping it.

                        If we environmentalists, or those at least a bit environmentally minded, are correct, global warming will get worse; electrification and wind and solar power will increase. No unemployment benefits or farm aid to you Albertan ingrates.

                        Also, if the progressives took over the US, Congress would have only 2 Albertan senators and maybe 6 Representatives to counter them.

                        ​

                        .5. Texas was a Republic for almost 10 years before it joined the US. Vermont, IIRC, was a republic for ≥14 years. If Alberta joins, say, within 4 years, they might be ribbed by Americans for that.

                        ​

                        .6. BC could still be connected through the NWT. Planes can fly north of it. If McDonald could have a railroad built in (IIUC) the 19th century, Canada could build one in the 21st. We also have the Northwest Passage.

                        (If BC joining Canada was only going to happen if a railroad was built, they might insist on a new one being built, and we might as well have freight lines, passenger lines, high-speed, a highway, and maybe others.)

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                        Carl
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                        What is “​”? Sounds like you had ai write all this.

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                        • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                          So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??

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                          Carl
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                          My friends in Alberta, are First Nations. And this was my first thought. We should send the people who want to be Americans, to America.

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                          • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                            So, what about First Nations? Are you going to vote away their land??

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                            jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                            How could they have their land voted away? AB separating just wouldn’t work, with First Nations land being just one reason. Most separatists are simply traitors who don’t understand what the consequences would be. The ones who know what they’re doing know it would never work, but that’s not the point. The point is a weakened and fractured Canada. There’s a vested interest (primarily from the US) in dividing Canada, and this is a great way to do it.

                            All I’m saying is I hope Albertans don’t get complacent, and actually get out and vote at the referendum. Brexit has proven what lack of understanding and voter apathy can result in. It can just as easily happen in AB, and all it takes is Albertans not bothering to vote because “there’s no way separation will happen”.

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                            • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

                              Stop acting like Yanks

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                              tomiant
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                              Wouldn’t be remotely shocked to find ties to Russian funding of this initiative. They pulled this same shit in Europe for decades, fanning the flames of discontent, pitting people against each other and trying to divide us.

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                              • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                                please go.

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                                RezDogHonky
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                                It’s pretty blatant a bunch of this is being funded by US fossil fuel giants to get access to the tar sands.

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                                • streetfestival@lemmy.caS streetfestival@lemmy.ca

                                  I was curious about how this will pan out, and found this:
                                  https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/11/05/Has-Alberta-Separatism-Gone-Mainstream-Common-Ground/

                                  About 30 per cent of Albertans support or somewhat support the idea of separation, while most do not. This figure fluctuates but hasn’t changed substantially since 2019.

                                  The conclusion from our research is clear: the typical Albertan doesn’t want to separate but gets why others do. Supporting separatism isn’t mainstream, though being curious about it is. The bridge between those viewpoints is not a long one.

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                                  zebidiah@lemmy.ca
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                                  30% was all Dougie needed for a majority in Ontario…

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                                  • C Carl

                                    What is “​”? Sounds like you had ai write all this.

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                                    dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca
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                                    What is “​”?

                                    Huh?

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                                    • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                                      I am astounded! Alberta is already trying to dumb down their population, as the USA did. Alberta is trying to privatize health care, as the USA. Seriously?? This is what you want?

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                                      dmcmnfibfff@lemmy.ca
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                                      The youngest boomer is less than 8 days from wt:thons 61st birthday.

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                                      • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                                        please go.

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                                        Phoenixz
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                                        All paid for by the USA

                                        Which in turn is paid for by Russia

                                        And we still allow it all to happen

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                                        • slothrop@lemmy.caS slothrop@lemmy.ca

                                          please go.

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                                          muscle_meteor@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                          Yay brexit!

                                          But without the diversified economy… Or their own currency… Or warm water ports… Or any water ports…

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