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'The old order is not coming back,' Carney says in provocative speech at Davos

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  • T twinnie@feddit.uk

    Is it possible Canada could join the EU? I’d love it if all America’s former allies just formed a “cool club” and started isolating the US.

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    jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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    The EU is working with Australia to grant non visa status. We’ll be next. The new world is connected, not isolationist. We don’t have to join the EU, the world is bigger than Europe, and we can just make our own co-op world. With blackjack and hookers and all the fun stuff.

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    • M markwandering@lemmy.ca

      Is Carney perfect? No. Is he the best PM we have had, and the perfect man for this situation? Yes.

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      jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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      #46

      MacKenzie King. Carney’s new and doing well, but c’mon, best PM he’s not.

      Edit: yet?

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      • F formfiller@lemmy.world

        He didn’t mention tech …tech is the most dangerous too the US has for subjugation right now. Any deal with any companies tied to musk, Thiel or Ellison are Bad Bad. I really don’t understand why Carney would join Trump and Netanyahu’s “peace board” that’s glaringly corrupt

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        spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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        #47

        He did… but just one sentence: “And on AI, we’re co-operating with like-minded democracies to ensure that we won’t ultimately be forced to choose between hegemons and hyperscalers.”

        And Carney was only invited to be on the board, but it seems we’re not going to be paying the billion dollars Trump is demanding. So it doesn’t seem likely that’s going to happen.

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        • R reannlegge@lemmy.ca

          I would love it, however we are an exporting economy so having the euro as our currency may hurt but also trade with the EU would be easier.

          The US is not going to be standing as it is by this time next year, maybe sooner.

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          spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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          Adopting the Euro isn’t required for being a member of the EU. UK used to be a member of the EU after all, and they never used the Euro.

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          • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

            Adopting the Euro isn’t required for being a member of the EU. UK used to be a member of the EU after all, and they never used the Euro.

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            reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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            As much as I doubt it would happen I would love to get to use the Euro if not for only the stronger purchasing power but for removing the dead people and royal family from our money.

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              glide@lemmy.ca
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              Genuinely appreciate the insight. Thanks for the fair response.

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              • J jhex@lemmy.world

                Carney: “The old order is not coming back” = provocative

                Trump: “I shit on the world and will take over a territory because I didn’t get a shiny medal” = Trump discusses international policy

                FUCK THE MAINSTREAM PRESS

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                armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                The order that he referred to never truly existed. It just was never aimed at fellow Global North nations. Basically what Trump is doing is, for all practical purposes, the real reason why Hitler is (was?) the most hated human in recent history and not, say, Mussolini. Fascists like Mussolini directed their ambitions towards non-Western countries and never threatened fellow Europeans, so they all laughed at his big chin and bombastic movie-inspired poses (no joke, his famous stare and folding arms pose was taken from a 1916 or 1915 film). Hitler was originally supported by many European leaders and both liberals and conservatives. Why? Because as a fascist he fucking hated communism and had no problem massacring and/or imprisoning as many of them as possible. It wasn’t until he started being aggressive towards other European nations and bringing about the same colonial mentality home to Europe and treating Europeans the same way they treated Indians and Africans did they take a stand. (BTW, Hitler made no secret of this. He wrote it all in Mein Kampf. But then as now, most people never read the book. Churchill was someone who was confirmed to have read the book before Hitler came to power and was opposed to him from day 1).

                This is basically the same mentality that schoolyard bullies have and their enablers. When they attack the more awkward kids or anyone perceived as being different for any reason they don’t care. The moment those bullies start to make anything remotely offensive towards their enablers, however, that is when they lose their shit. My biggest weakness (as an autistic adult) is that I was lead to believe that when you grow up all those behaviors and people will be left behind and they also will change. This… is why it took me until I became middle aged to even BEGIN to have a career or some feeling of being taken seriously. My faith in simply being honest, straightforward, and having faith in others to have some basic curiosity or understanding was my undoing.

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                • F formfiller@lemmy.world

                  He didn’t mention tech …tech is the most dangerous too the US has for subjugation right now. Any deal with any companies tied to musk, Thiel or Ellison are Bad Bad. I really don’t understand why Carney would join Trump and Netanyahu’s “peace board” that’s glaringly corrupt

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                  hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  I heard he wasn’t going to join

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                  • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                    We have the most eloquent, educated, kick ass leader! I shudder to think what PP would be doing under these circumstances. He’d probably be peeing his pants…

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                    armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                    He is an extremely conservative, highly anti-worker, and a lot more authoritarian than you think. Also eloquent? Compared to the competition your average high school debate team is probably more eloquent than those jackasses. Trump was always a trash mouthed jackass his entire life, and it never harmed his crimes.

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                    • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS spacecowboy@lemmy.ca

                      Adopting the Euro isn’t required for being a member of the EU. UK used to be a member of the EU after all, and they never used the Euro.

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                      auli@lemmy.ca
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                      #54

                      Aren’t they being stricter about that for newer members?

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                      • A armchairace1944@lemmy.ca

                        The order that he referred to never truly existed. It just was never aimed at fellow Global North nations. Basically what Trump is doing is, for all practical purposes, the real reason why Hitler is (was?) the most hated human in recent history and not, say, Mussolini. Fascists like Mussolini directed their ambitions towards non-Western countries and never threatened fellow Europeans, so they all laughed at his big chin and bombastic movie-inspired poses (no joke, his famous stare and folding arms pose was taken from a 1916 or 1915 film). Hitler was originally supported by many European leaders and both liberals and conservatives. Why? Because as a fascist he fucking hated communism and had no problem massacring and/or imprisoning as many of them as possible. It wasn’t until he started being aggressive towards other European nations and bringing about the same colonial mentality home to Europe and treating Europeans the same way they treated Indians and Africans did they take a stand. (BTW, Hitler made no secret of this. He wrote it all in Mein Kampf. But then as now, most people never read the book. Churchill was someone who was confirmed to have read the book before Hitler came to power and was opposed to him from day 1).

                        This is basically the same mentality that schoolyard bullies have and their enablers. When they attack the more awkward kids or anyone perceived as being different for any reason they don’t care. The moment those bullies start to make anything remotely offensive towards their enablers, however, that is when they lose their shit. My biggest weakness (as an autistic adult) is that I was lead to believe that when you grow up all those behaviors and people will be left behind and they also will change. This… is why it took me until I became middle aged to even BEGIN to have a career or some feeling of being taken seriously. My faith in simply being honest, straightforward, and having faith in others to have some basic curiosity or understanding was my undoing.

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                        jhex@lemmy.world
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                        The order that he referred to never truly existed…

                        You didn’t hear the speech, did you? Carney clearly says this in it. He goes in detail about how it was all smoke and mirrors and the countries that benefited from it, simply played along knowing full well it was a sham

                        I, unfortunately, do agree with your statement… I wish we lived in a better world but that is not the case

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                        • J jhex@lemmy.world

                          The order that he referred to never truly existed…

                          You didn’t hear the speech, did you? Carney clearly says this in it. He goes in detail about how it was all smoke and mirrors and the countries that benefited from it, simply played along knowing full well it was a sham

                          I, unfortunately, do agree with your statement… I wish we lived in a better world but that is not the case

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                          armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                          I did hear most of it, including that part. I hated how he compared the ‘illusion’ to the slogan Workers of the World Unite! It pisses me off that I fear we will never truely be rid of that oligarch shit that has plagued society from the dawn of civilization.

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