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Vancouver social-media company Hootsuite looking to work with ICE to ‘build trust’

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  • M msage@programming.dev

    Fascists do not only lie tactically, to “con” enemies or the masses. According to Finchelstein, fascists also lie as a matter of epistemological principle, since they view the truth as something created and enforced by violence, not as something to be discovered. Paradoxically, then, fascists’ lying has an element of honesty: a sincere and genuine rejection of the idea that their beliefs could ever be rationally proven or disproven, since they believe their beliefs are simply intuitively known to the select few destined for power, or conveyed by the leader or movement to the followers. However, as Finchelstein points out, and as Kahn-Harris’s and Leeb’s work help illuminate, fascists also lie for disingenuous, psychological reasons—that is, fascists lie as a mechanism of denial, to protect their consciences from awareness of what they are doing and to hide from “unspeakable truths” about themselves.

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    juspie
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    Very insightful! Thank you for this comment msage@programming.dev

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    • C Cherry

      Looks like they turned down a contact with ICE a few years ago under a different CEO but Irina Novoselsky accepted one last year and is now chasing more. Looks like the first was for 95k. Really who sells their soul and jeopardises the companies integrity for that. Tells you a lot.

      I feel for the staff but it looks like the sales team was chasing this. I hope the measly sales bonus helps them sleep better.

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      Avid Amoeba
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      #18

      That’s how it works. A CEO of a comany that they’re not the controlling shareholder works for the major shareholders. Most major shareholders’ primary goal is to continually increase the return on their investment. If the CEO doesn’t do that, or another candidate convinces the shareholders she can do more, the CEO is replaced. It doesn’t happen quarterly, it doesn’t happen in every company, but it not happening is more of an exception than the rule. It’s what CEOs are graded on. A recent obvious example of a bunch of those selling their souls is Big Tech going full support for Trump.

      E: Been in large Canadian and American corporations for 15 years now. This is the best model I’ve seen that explains what I’ve seen inside. There are all sorts of exceptions and differences in degree but on the whole, it still has the best explanatory and predictive power according to my observations. YMMV

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        harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        More like Jackbootsuite.

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          eightys3v3n@lemmy.ca
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          I don’t see a way to contact Hootsuite on their website to complain.

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            foenix@lemmy.radio
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            Same company, nothing hanged about their values: https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/hootsuite-gives-interns-back-pay-ends-controversial-practice-of-unpaid-internships

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              Very insightful! Thank you for this comment msage@programming.dev

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              msage@programming.dev
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              I was just quoting someone else, those were not my own words.

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                armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                I never heard of them before and I want them to disappear and all their data evaporated.

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                • acargitzT acargitz

                  Doing evil shit should have a social cost. We need to be boycotting and generally making the life difficult for any canadian company profiteering from trumpist fascism.

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                  armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                  Exactly. If I shoplift a chocolate bar they will note it and I will eventually be called to court. But if they do shit that ruins cocoa production in West Africa they will still get their massive bonuses year end.

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                    mehblah@lemmy.world
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                    You can’t trust a illiterate proud boi.

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                    • acargitzT acargitz

                      Doing evil shit should have a social cost. We need to be boycotting and generally making the life difficult for any canadian company profiteering from trumpist fascism.

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                      reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                      I love the idea of boycotting these guys but I have no idea who they are.

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                      • freebooter69@lemmy.caF freebooter69@lemmy.ca

                        Ukrainian it looks like.

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                        reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                        Pre or post Soviet collapse, if pre why did she leave?

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                          She says she’s Ukrainian.

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                          reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                          Pre or post Soviet collapse, if pre why did she leave?

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                          • R reannlegge@lemmy.ca

                            I love the idea of boycotting these guys but I have no idea who they are.

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                            acargitz
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                            Well they have an address on Wikipedia. Maybe if I was in Vancouver I’d go to all the coffeeshops in walking distance and ask the owners of they’d be up for putting up a poster saying Hootsuite supports ICE on the window. Maybe their suppliers want to know. Maybe their cleaners? Their landscapers? Costs can also be indirect…

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                            • R reannlegge@lemmy.ca

                              Pre or post Soviet collapse, if pre why did she leave?

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                              freebooter69@lemmy.ca
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                              No idea, only vaguely heard of the company myself. People are people everywhere and there are always people willing to sell the rest of us out for money. This company and it’s officers should be held to account should it’s support of ICE be tied to unlawful acts.

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                                hertzdentalbar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                                Only good tech bro is a dead tech bro.

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                                  kingporkchop@lemmy.ca
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                                  Cancels Hootsuite and moves to Buffer.

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                                    atkat@leminal.space
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                                    Gross; Vancouver’s where I keep my stuff!:( Like my cat and my body and my home. I don’t want apologists like this in my city.

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                                      thatradomguy@lemmy.world
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                                      #boycott

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                                        jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                        Does anyone know if there will be a protest outside their offices? Seems like something we can do as Canadians to help.

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                                        • M msage@programming.dev

                                          I was just quoting someone else, those were not my own words.

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                                          whostosay@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Sharing insightful shit deserves praise too, thanks for sharing friend

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