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Apparently Canadians are notorius cheaters in the sport of Curling

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  • T thorry@feddit.org

    There is a line after which they are no longer allowed to touch the stone. The handles on the stone have sensors on it, to detect a touch after the line and call foul. But the Canadians touched the stone itself, not the handles. Which isn’t a legal move, but isn’t automatically detected. And with how they did it, the refs didn’t see it right away.

    Edit: Correction, it doesn’t actually matter if it’s before or after the hog line, once the handle is released on the stone nobody is allowed to touch it anymore. The release has to be before the hog line, but there is no touching after that regardless of where the stone is.

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    thefool@sh.itjust.works
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    In that shot, he is still before the hog line, but regardless still not allowed to touch that part of the stone. Touching it there should have zero effect on the actual throw, but it’s still illegal

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    • T thefool@sh.itjust.works

      In that shot, he is still before the hog line, but regardless still not allowed to touch that part of the stone. Touching it there should have zero effect on the actual throw, but it’s still illegal

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      fireretardant@lemmy.world
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      It looks like hes either trying to nudge it over a touch or a put a bit of spin on it. He wouldn’t risk cheating at the Olympics with a method that has zero effect.

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      • T toiletobserver

        That does seem like solid proof

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        tomiant
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        #9

        And it was available for review right there right then. But we can’t use cameras in sports, because apparently that would ruin sports, for some reason. Oh, and except when they literally use them to measure stuff like who’s over the finish line first, or inside a line, or outside a line, or measure things down to 1/10000th of a second, and literally film every single moment of every event from every imaginable angle. BUT NOT FOR THIS. Because it would ruin the sport, all sports.

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        • T toiletobserver

          That does seem like solid proof

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          greddan@feddit.org
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          Yes, but the Canadians threw a hissyfit shouting “Fuck off!” repeatedly at the Swedes during the match. They later went to Swedish newspapers accusing the Swedes of staging a conspiracy against them.

          Those mooseknuckleheads should have been disqualified from the match for their shitty behaviour.

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          • Z zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

            Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

            So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

            And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

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            xkbx@startrek.website
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            Did we learn nothing from Men With Brooms?!

            I am disgusted. Appalled. Normally that would also turn me on but in this case I find the actions too morally reprehensible.

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            • Z zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

              Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

              So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

              And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

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              For anyone struggling with why this is a big deal* it’s like if you were playing billiards and nudged the ball after you made the shot because you didn’t like the angle of the shot, it kind of ruins the whole point

              * lol, I mean, for curling at least

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              • G greddan@feddit.org

                Yes, but the Canadians threw a hissyfit shouting “Fuck off!” repeatedly at the Swedes during the match. They later went to Swedish newspapers accusing the Swedes of staging a conspiracy against them.

                Those mooseknuckleheads should have been disqualified from the match for their shitty behaviour.

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                tomiant
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                During the whole thing I was just picturing these curling nerds saying that shit to my face and how that’d go down lol.

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                • Z zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                  cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

                  Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

                  So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

                  And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

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                  skozzii@lemmy.ca
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                  And then there is this angle that shows he holds his finger beside the rock after release.

                  The “gotcha” photo has his finger buried internally in the rock, seeing this other angle shows his finger beside the rock, but from a different angle would appear to be touching it.

                  Not as clear cut as they want you to believe.

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                  • blitzen@lemmy.caB blitzen@lemmy.ca

                    “Sports”… haha, good one.

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                    tomiant
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                    “On second thought it is a silly sport, let’s not go there.”

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                    • B bassman27@lemmy.world

                      Send them on an all expenses paid trip to America as punishment!

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                      lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca
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                      Of fuck that’s a war crime.

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                      • Z zjti8eit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                        cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7671573

                        Sweden knew Canada’s Marc Kennedy was a notorious cheater.

                        So they set up a camera at the ‘hog line’ to record it.

                        And caught him doing it at the Olympics.

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                        sepia@mander.xyz
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                        That’s cheap anti-Western propaganda provided by hexbear.

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                        • S skozzii@lemmy.ca

                          And then there is this angle that shows he holds his finger beside the rock after release.

                          The “gotcha” photo has his finger buried internally in the rock, seeing this other angle shows his finger beside the rock, but from a different angle would appear to be touching it.

                          Not as clear cut as they want you to believe.

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                          ryper@lemmy.ca
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                          The pictures are from different throws. Here the person is wearing long sleeves, and the person in the “gotcha” picture is wearing short sleeves.

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                          • tomiantT tomiant

                            For anyone struggling with why this is a big deal* it’s like if you were playing billiards and nudged the ball after you made the shot because you didn’t like the angle of the shot, it kind of ruins the whole point

                            * lol, I mean, for curling at least

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                            …if said billiard ball weighed 40 lbs.

                            A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

                            But, the rules are the rules.

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                            • S skozzii@lemmy.ca

                              And then there is this angle that shows he holds his finger beside the rock after release.

                              The “gotcha” photo has his finger buried internally in the rock, seeing this other angle shows his finger beside the rock, but from a different angle would appear to be touching it.

                              Not as clear cut as they want you to believe.

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                              ussmojave@startrek.website
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                              Different shirt, different handle color

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                              • G greddan@feddit.org

                                Yes, but the Canadians threw a hissyfit shouting “Fuck off!” repeatedly at the Swedes during the match. They later went to Swedish newspapers accusing the Swedes of staging a conspiracy against them.

                                Those mooseknuckleheads should have been disqualified from the match for their shitty behaviour.

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                                NotSteve_
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                                We’re not sending our best [to the Olympics] 😞

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                                • R ryper@lemmy.ca

                                  The pictures are from different throws. Here the person is wearing long sleeves, and the person in the “gotcha” picture is wearing short sleeves.

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                                  cannonfodder@lemmy.world
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                                  The point still stands. The ‘gotcha’ picture doesn’t show he’s touching the rock, his finger could be behind. And it’s all fuzzy anyway. And more importantly, he got the official win regardless. Olympic athletes are always pushing the boundaries of the rules to get the edge - it’s part of the tradition.

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                                  • Value SubtractedV Value Subtracted

                                    …if said billiard ball weighed 40 lbs.

                                    A little finger poke ain’t gonna do shit.

                                    But, the rules are the rules.

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                                    tomiant
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                                    A tiny finger poke makes a ton of difference apparently, which is precisely why it’s forbidden. You’ve got a 45 meter long track, small adjustments matter a lot. Though honestly I cannot believe I am letting myself getting worked up over fucking curling.

                                    I guess it’s just the reaction to people cheating at the highest competitive levels and then have the gall to be fucking abrasive assholes about it.

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                                    • tomiantT tomiant

                                      During the whole thing I was just picturing these curling nerds saying that shit to my face and how that’d go down lol.

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                                      schnokobaer@feddit.org
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                                      Hear hear we got a badass over here.

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                                      • S schnokobaer@feddit.org

                                        Hear hear we got a badass over here.

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                                        tomiant
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                                        Yes I am a violent drug addicted criminal, I don’t know maybe you’re a nice kid in school and wear shirts and stuff but around my hood we don’t.

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                                        • tomiantT tomiant

                                          A tiny finger poke makes a ton of difference apparently, which is precisely why it’s forbidden. You’ve got a 45 meter long track, small adjustments matter a lot. Though honestly I cannot believe I am letting myself getting worked up over fucking curling.

                                          I guess it’s just the reaction to people cheating at the highest competitive levels and then have the gall to be fucking abrasive assholes about it.

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                                          Having curled myself, I can assure you it does not…and if it did make a difference, it would almost certainly be negative, since you’re giving up any semblance of control that you had on the actual throw. There’s not going to be some “precision poke” that magically steers it where it needs to go. But don’t take my word for it.

                                          Does it make any difference?

                                          “No. The double-touching that I’ve seen has been incidental contact, and that’s fingers brushing or hand brushing on a 40-pound piece of granite,” said Eugene Hritzuk, a Canadian curler based in Saskatoon who has been involved in competitive curling and coaching for more than 60 years.

                                          “What can fingers brushing against a 40-pound piece of granite do in any event? You need the palm on your hand against that stone to do anything.”

                                          Delivering a stone entails acute skills to slide on line and on pace, he said.

                                          Once sliding on target and at the right speed, releasing the stone and then touching it with any force would cause it to veer off its intended line and speed, Hritzuk said. “That would not be advantageous to good execution.”

                                          Canadian curling commentator John Cullen, who hosted the CBC podcast Broomgate: A Curling Scandal, said most top curlers will say that double-touching has no effect on the stone.

                                          As well, most top curlers will double-touch at times and don’t think it’s a foul, he said.

                                          “The idea that a top curler would let a rock go and then want to try to adjust it with their finger —it doesn’t seem like there’s any way you could get an advantage from that. It feels like it would be worse.”

                                          But as I said, the rules are the rules, and I don’t think it’s wrong to enforce them.

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