Ban flavoured vapes now, anti-smoking groups urge Carney’s government - National | Globalnews.ca
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[Imperial Tobacco Canada] also supports the federal government’s regulations to limit flavours to tobacco, mint and menthol
Tobacco companies and nanny state crusaders: United in wanting to make vaping less tasty.
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
What counts as “flavored alcohol”?
I think everclear and vodka are basically the only two that aren’t typically flavored with something
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If they want to ban flavored vapes, they’re not “anti-smoking” groups - they’re anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.
Why not ban both? There are nuanced approaches you could take that wouldn’t immediately force every addict to quit cold turkey, or turn to the black market.
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If they want to ban flavored vapes, they’re not “anti-smoking” groups - they’re anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.
Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It’s not a great argument, but it’s not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren’t necessary for the smoker to switch.
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
I would imagine that anyone in favor of one is also likely in fvaor of the other.
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What counts as “flavored alcohol”?
I think everclear and vodka are basically the only two that aren’t typically flavored with something
All of it. Don’t fucking ban stuff for adults; monitor your children.
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What do you want to be banned...the smoking or the nicotine?
All the junk from burning plant matter kills you slowly. Nicotine in small amounts is horribly addictive; that is what keeps the smoking going. Or vaping. Or any other tobacco. I speak from decades of experience, I used them all, from 12 years old to 77. Quitting the nicotine was hell, and the vehicle did not matter.
So ban the damn nicotine and be done with it. Poo on all the people making money out of it, they are drug dealers.
At this point the political will just dies.
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Back to illigal unregulated products then. You know, the stuff that killed a handful of people a couple years ago…
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Eh, their argument is that children vaping leads to nicotine addiction leads to smoking. It’s not a great argument, but it’s not entirely without merit. Someone who is using vaping as a more healthy alternative to smoking is already accustomed to the flavor of cigarettes. Flavored vapes aren’t necessary for the smoker to switch.
Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
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If they really cared about the youth they would also ban flavoured alcohol
They should only allow you to buy little bottles just like with edibles.
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Why not ban both? There are nuanced approaches you could take that wouldn’t immediately force every addict to quit cold turkey, or turn to the black market.
Banning is not and will never be part of a “nuanced approach” to anything. It’s the approach preferred by shallow, self-righteous, authoritarian shitheads.
And there are likely a dozen things you did today that are more harmful than vaping. The only thing that makes them any different is that they’re not things that have become focal points for shallow, self-righteous, authoritarian shitheads
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If they want to ban flavored vapes, they’re not “anti-smoking” groups - they’re anti-vaping groups and thus pro-smoking groups.
They’re anti-tobacco.
Unless you think they’re hypocrites for enjoying bacon.
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Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
You got it right!
I went from Skoal to those home-brew vape juices when...about 2010 or 11. Hardly vaped, just put it on a pad under my lip.
Hated the taste of burning cigarettes, loved some of those fruit flavours. Finally my drug tasted good. Flavour for an old man, not the kids.
Quit 3 years ago and still crave. Horrible time. Quit alcohol 15 years ago with less problems. But quitting is just terrible, no matter the drug.
Somebody who hasn't struggled with addiction doesn't get much cred in these discussions, from me.
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They’re anti-tobacco.
Unless you think they’re hypocrites for enjoying bacon.
Yes, I think they’re hypocrites.
More to the point though, I think they’re toxic assholes - vile, loathsome, uncaring pieces of shit who hide behind an ill-fitting mask of health advocacy to feed their own pathetic and destructive need for self-affirmation through self-righteousness, and there isn’t a boot in the world big enough to deliver the swift kick in the ass they so desperately need.
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Yes, I think they’re hypocrites.
More to the point though, I think they’re toxic assholes - vile, loathsome, uncaring pieces of shit who hide behind an ill-fitting mask of health advocacy to feed their own pathetic and destructive need for self-affirmation through self-righteousness, and there isn’t a boot in the world big enough to deliver the swift kick in the ass they so desperately need.
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That’s nice, dear. Go play.
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That’s nice, dear. Go play.
Ah… that’s right - I left out “sanctimonious.”
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Nicotine juice has been flavored from the very start. Way back in the day when premixed juices didn’t even exist and vapers - who were pretty much exclusively smokers looking for a safer alternative - had to buy propylene glycol and nicotine extract and mix it themselves, we also bought flavoring, because the simple fact of the matter is that unflavored nicotine juice doesn’t taste like cigarettes - it tastes sorr of like hand sanitizer mixed with ear wax.
This whole uproar about flavored vapes is a bizarre fiction being promoted by busybody assholes and idiots - by crusading fuckwads using something they self-evidently know absolutely nothing about to feed their desperate and pathetic need to feel self-righteous.
After thirty years of trying and failing to quit smoking, vaping is almost certainly the only reason I’m alive today, and these foul busybody shitbags want to ruin that for me and everyone else in the same position, and bluntly, fuck them. They’re fucking scum.
Vaping is a generational tragedy for everyone except relics like you. If not for vapes then smoking would have basically just ended. Rate of new smokers were plummeting. Aaand then some tobacco subsidiaries got their hooks into kids of all ages.
They didn’t do it by promising the taste of hand sanitizer and earwax.
And you’re getting big mad that they want nicotine to taste like nicotine, rather than bubblegum. We’re not even talking about banning nicotine juices. Just the flavors. Y’know, the same way you can still buy cigarettes; just not the kind that taste like mint. Vaping beats smoking by such a huge margin that essentially nobody is talking about banning vaping. Everyone knows it would be self-defeating. So why are you being such an edgelord about this strawman idea that everyone’s gonna switch to cigarettes that cost more, taste worse, and physically hurt to use?
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Ah… that’s right - I left out “sanctimonious.”
Oh I’m sorry, should we treat your violent fantasies as an actionable threat?
Calling people big meanie doo-doo-heads makes a dry reading difficult.
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You got it right!
I went from Skoal to those home-brew vape juices when...about 2010 or 11. Hardly vaped, just put it on a pad under my lip.
Hated the taste of burning cigarettes, loved some of those fruit flavours. Finally my drug tasted good. Flavour for an old man, not the kids.
Quit 3 years ago and still crave. Horrible time. Quit alcohol 15 years ago with less problems. But quitting is just terrible, no matter the drug.
Somebody who hasn't struggled with addiction doesn't get much cred in these discussions, from me.
Yeah, maybe we should focus on preventing addiction in the first place.
Somehow.
