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  • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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    Guy Ingonito
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    “The best thing you can do is capitulate, it’ll totally work against the bully President this time”

    There, that’s what his speech will be.

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    • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

      The next person that says “strategic voting” within earshot is getting knocked out, I swear to god. This is so beyond the pale

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      canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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      #45

      Strategic voting.

      Whatever alternative you’re thinking of is unworkable. Nor am I convinced any other party would do something different, given our vulnerable position, except to maybe genuinely entertain further integration.

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      • Guy IngonitoK Guy Ingonito

        “The best thing you can do is capitulate, it’ll totally work against the bully President this time”

        There, that’s what his speech will be.

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        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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        #46

        And hopefully they nod and smile, and he goes back and reports they’ve contained us so we can buy some more time.

        Everyone’s getting their pitchforks out, but I’d be doing the exact same thing as PM right now.

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        • W wirebeads@lemmy.ca

          If Carney fucks us, I’m going to be rightly fucking pissed.

          If this is a meeting for discovery, OK. If this is a meeting to engage them more, fuck off.

          This closed door meeting better have some public relay once it’s over a good solid cabinet member can leak the details.

          This does not sit well with me.

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          canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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          He’s probably meeting them as flattery.

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          • A anachronist@midwest.social

            Yeah the guy who ran on opposing Trump and supporting workers who immediately folded to Trump and ratfucked the flight attendants definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt.

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            canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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            #48

            Folding would be a move towards actually becoming the 51st state. He’s given a few token concessions.

            Probably just to buy time. I’d be doing the same in his shoes, anyway.

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            • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

              Oh, and I suppose the enemy is going to give you good info?

              This is nonsense. You don’t sit down with fascists. Easiest rule. This is unconscionable.

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              nyan@lemmy.cafe
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              Of course you don’t take anything they say at face value, but keeping track of what they emphasise, what they downplay, and how that changes over time can give you some notion of where their weak points are. Don’t listen to what they’re saying, listen to what they’re trying to hide.

              In the end, though, what we want is to keep the Americans talking, rather than shooting at us. Each diplomatic conversation buys time until they either course-correct or collapse into civil war. And if that requires some MPs to sit through a dramatic reading of Trump partisan trash while not visibly rolling their eyes, well, they’re being paid well enough for it. There’s a big difference between keeping someone talking and letting yourself be persuaded by them. (People like Danielle Smith don’t need to be persuaded over to the evil side—they were on that side from the get-go.)

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              • O olivemoon@lemmy.ca

                Geezus. Why do you immediately think the worst? Maybe Carney wants to put this BS to bed. Is it so hard to believe he’s not in cahoots?

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                savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                Have you seen the border security bill?

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                • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                  He’s probably meeting them as flattery.

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                  hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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                  Well, unless there is more to it for Canada other than a “good conversation” it’s a fucking waste and a spit in the eye.

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                  • B bdot@lemmy.world

                    there’s two things that EVERYONE should be able to recognize about Trump, but really just boils down to one simple fact : he always says the opposite of what is true.

                    • when he says “nobody knows more about this than me,” what he REALLY means is “i am completely clueless about this subject”

                    • when he says “never heard of it,” he is VERY involved.

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                    patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                    Well sure, we understand that, but most of his supporters don’t.

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                    • H hikingvet@lemmy.ca

                      Well, unless there is more to it for Canada other than a “good conversation” it’s a fucking waste and a spit in the eye.

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                      canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                      #53

                      If it keeps them from doing anything worse for a little while, I fully appreciate Carney sitting through a speech by another blowhard.

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                      • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                        If it keeps them from doing anything worse for a little while, I fully appreciate Carney sitting through a speech by another blowhard.

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                        hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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                        #54

                        This isn’t just another blowhard. This dude is from the heritage foundation and was a key figure in writing project 2025.

                        This asshole is on the same level as Geobbels and the like.

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                        • H hikingvet@lemmy.ca

                          USSA 🤔

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                          eatcasserole@lemmy.world
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                          I was thinking United SchutzStaffel of America.

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                          • E eatcasserole@lemmy.world

                            I was thinking United SchutzStaffel of America.

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                            hikingvet@lemmy.ca
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                            That makes some sense. But it’s a bit of a deep cut.

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                            • H hikingvet@lemmy.ca

                              That makes some sense. But it’s a bit of a deep cut.

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                              eatcasserole@lemmy.world
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                              TBH I had to look up what it stands for, but lots of people know of “the SS” in the context of Nazi Germany.

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                              • H hikingvet@lemmy.ca

                                This isn’t just another blowhard. This dude is from the heritage foundation and was a key figure in writing project 2025.

                                This asshole is on the same level as Geobbels and the like.

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                                canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                Honestly, I think I might characterise Goebbels, propaganda minister, as a blowhard as well.

                                How much we don’t like a particular blowhard is kind of irrelevant here.

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                                • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                                  Oh, and I suppose the enemy is going to give you good info?

                                  This is nonsense. You don’t sit down with fascists. Easiest rule. This is unconscionable.

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                                  gnumile@lemmy.ca
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                                  Tell them you won’t meet with them, that should smooth everything over!

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                                  • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                                    Capitulating Capitalist Carney will always put monied interests above those of the people. Once a banker, always a banker.

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                                    corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                                    He’s no Polyestre, that’s for sure. Phew.

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                                    • N n4ch1sm0

                                      Reminds me of that satire post Larry David did when Bill Mahar thought it was a good idea to have dinner with Trump

                                      https://www.rsn.org/001/my-dinner-with-adolf.html

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                                      jarix@lemmy.world
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                                      Link wasnt working so here’s the article (only tried to enter HTTPS:// for some reason)

                                      My Dinner With Adolf

                                      Larry David / The New York Times

                                      4 - 5 minutes

                                      Imagine my surprise when in the spring of 1939 a letter arrived at my house inviting me to dinner at the Old Chancellery with the world’s most reviled man, Adolf Hitler. I had been a vocal critic of his on the radio from the beginning, pretty much predicting everything he was going to do on the road to dictatorship. No one I knew encouraged me to go. “He’s Hitler. He’s a monster.” But eventually I concluded that hate gets us nowhere. I knew I couldn’t change his views, but we need to talk to the other side — even if it has invaded and annexed other countries and committed unspeakable crimes against humanity.

                                      Two weeks later, I found myself on the front steps of the Old Chancellery and was led into an opulent living room, where a few of the Führer’s most vocal supporters had gathered: Himmler, Göring, Leni Riefenstahl and the Duke of Windsor, formerly King Edward VIII. We talked about some of the beautiful art on the walls that had been taken from the homes of Jews. But our conversation ended abruptly when we heard loud footsteps coming down the hallway. Everyone stiffened as Hitler entered the room.

                                      He was wearing a tan suit with a swastika armband and gave me an enthusiastic greeting that caught me off guard. Frankly, it was a warmer greeting than I normally get from my parents, and it was accompanied by a slap on my back. I found the whole thing quite disarming. I joked that I was surprised to see him in a tan suit because if he wore that out, it would be perceived as un-Führer-like. That amused him to no end, and I realized I’d never seen him laugh before. Suddenly he seemed so human. Here I was, prepared to meet Hitler, the one I’d seen and heard — the public Hitler. But this private Hitler was a completely different animal. And oddly enough, this one seemed more authentic, like this was the real Hitler. The whole thing had my head spinning.

                                      He said he was starving and led us into the dining room, where he gestured for me to sit next to him. Göring immediately grabbed a slice of pumpernickel, whereupon Hitler turned to me, gave me an eye roll, then whispered, “Watch. He’ll be done with his entire meal before you’ve taken two bites.” That one really got me. Göring, with his mouth full, asked what was so funny, and Hitler said, “I was just telling him about the time my dog had diarrhea in the Reichstag.” Göring remembered. How could he forget? He loved that story, especially the part where Hitler shot the dog before it got back into the car. Then a beaming Hitler said, “Hey, if I can kill Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals, I can certainly kill a dog!” That perhaps got the biggest laugh of the night — and believe me, there were plenty.

                                      But it wasn’t just a one-way street, with the Führer dominating the conversation. He was quite inquisitive and asked me a lot of questions about myself. I told him I had just gone through a brutal breakup with my girlfriend because every time I went someplace without her, she was always insistent that I tell her everything I talked about. I can’t stand having to remember every detail of every conversation. Hitler said he could relate — he hated that, too. “What am I, a secretary?” He advised me it was best not to have any more contact with her or else I’d be right back where I started and eventually I’d have to go through the whole thing all over again. I said it must be easy for a dictator to go through a breakup. He said, “You’d be surprised. There are still feelings.” Hmm … there are still feelings. That really resonated with me. We’re not that different, after all. I thought that if only the world could see this side of him, people might have a completely different opinion.

                                      Two hours later, the dinner was over, and the Führer escorted me to the door. “I am so glad to have met you. I hope I’m no longer the monster you thought I was.” “I must say, mein Führer, I’m so thankful I came. Although we disagree on many issues, it doesn’t mean that we have to hate each other.” And with that, I gave him a Nazi salute and walked out into the night.

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                                      • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                                        Capitulating Capitalist Carney will always put monied interests above those of the people. Once a banker, always a banker.

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                                        awkwardparticle@programming.dev
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                                        If you for one second thought that PP would not sell us out instantly to Donnie, you are a delusional maniac who needs to stop reading Postmedia.

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                                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                          The Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) said Roberts is speaking to cabinet about trade issues because he knows the Trump administration’s playbook.

                                          He knows that playbook because he was in the room when it was written.

                                          I hope this meeting is not what it looks like on the surface.

                                          There is no part of the heritage foundation agenda that I want to have any influence in Canada.

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                                          jarix@lemmy.world
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                                          It already does have influence in Canada, PP and Alberta are the biggest threats because of this.

                                          If taking to this jagoff makes it easier to deal with The Trump administration, that’s a good thing. Forewarned is forearmed

                                          I’m fortunately that’s the rose coloured glasses version of this meeting though.

                                          I hate this timeline

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