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6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again

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  • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

    Afaik, the aboot thing is a regional dialect thing in parts of Ontario.

    And, as we know, Toronto represents all Canadians… (or at least thinks they do)

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    burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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    Let’s hope the new “Toronto man” accent doesn’t come to represent all of Canada in the coming years.

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    • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

      A country != the population, especially under dictatorship

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      lefantome@programming.dev
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      #65

      The United States population democratically elected Donald Trump less than a year ago. Only 30% opposed his election.

      At best, you are arguing that 70% of a population does not equal a population.

      But let’s move beyond the election.

      The US is not yet a dictatorship. That said, the administration is pushing it closer to that point every day. The population still has the power to stop that. What are they doing wield that power? Not much.

      I am afraid we disagree strongly on how accountable we need to hold “the population”. They are at best complicit and at worst collaborators. Either way, they should not be defended.

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      • B billwashere

        Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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        lefantome@programming.dev
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        #66

        Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

        Did I miss the violent military coup?

        I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.

        Are you suggesting we trust those guys?

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        • B billwashere

          Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

          So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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          lefantome@programming.dev
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          #67

          only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags

          So what you are saying is that the overwhelming majority of you participated in the election of Donald Trump.

          Got it.

          What was your other point again?

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          • B burntwits@sh.itjust.works

            I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.

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            LustyArgonian
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            It’s because everyone’s accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.

            Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:

            Granted they are playing this up for their characters

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            • B billwashere

              Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.

              I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.

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              lefantome@programming.dev
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              #69

              Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.

              But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.

              Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.

              Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.

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              • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

                I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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                beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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                Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools

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                • LustyArgonianL LustyArgonian

                  It’s because everyone’s accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.

                  Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:

                  Granted they are playing this up for their characters

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                  burntwits@sh.itjust.works
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                  #71

                  I absolutely love Bob and Doug McKenzie but they’re definitely not representative of the average Canadian. Like you said, they’re playing it up for their characters. They play an exaggerated stereotype of a dim-witted drunken Canadian. They’re kind of like Canadian Homer Simpsons in a way. A great comedy duo, truly one of the best, but most Canadians don’t sound like that.

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                  • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                    I think Linus does it as a meme, more than as part of his natural speech.

                    And Bobsdecline is from the opposite coast.

                    The aboot thing is mostly a southern Ontario thing, but since that is where a lot of traditional media comes from, it is the most commonly exported Canadian regional accent.

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                    rumba@lemmy.zip
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                    Linus might be meaming it, but I have heard others say it. The aboat version of it is even common across the northern border in central US.

                    I also just ran across a video of two Canadian English teachers talking about it, but they too were almost in the aboat class.

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                      backyardincendiary@lemmy.sdf.org
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                      What the hell’s wrong with 4 in 10 Canadians?

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                      • L lefantome@programming.dev

                        Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.

                        But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.

                        Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.

                        Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.

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                        billwashere
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                        My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.

                        And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.

                        Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.

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                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                          Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook

                          It already is.

                          Project 2025 intentionally leads to Gilead.

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                          billwashere
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                          #75

                          We are definitely in the first few chapters.

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                            heythisisnttheymca@lemmy.world
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                            #76

                            Statesian here. Same.

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                              Phoenixz
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                              I think the rest of the world thinks that too

                              I think that the rest of the world has been thinking that at some level already since shortly after WWII

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                                barneypiccolo@lemmy.today
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                                That’s okay, I haven’t trusted America in decades, and I’m American. Canadians are wise to be mistrustful of our GOVERNMENT. Most of the people are mostly cool. It’s just the MAGAs you have to hide your kids from.

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                                • B beejboytyson@lemmy.world

                                  Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools

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                                  mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca
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                                  Strange way to bring up that particular atrocity.

                                  Doesn’t seem to have any bearing on the subject matter of the OP, or the commenter you’re replying to.

                                  Weird.

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                                  • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                    A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.

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                                    mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca
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                                    Yeah, talk about putting the cart before the horse.

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                                    • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                      Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

                                      Did I miss the violent military coup?

                                      I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.

                                      Are you suggesting we trust those guys?

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                                      doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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                                      #81

                                      There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You’ll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.

                                      And no, 70% of the population didn’t vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.

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                                      • B beejboytyson@lemmy.world

                                        Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools

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                                        randomgal@lemmy.ca
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                                        Ah yes. Native American. Famously for participating the the Boston tea… Hold on…

                                        Are you a bot?

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                                          mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca
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                                          Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor… Because I’m not bigoted like that.

                                          However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.

                                          Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I’m just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.

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