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  • Binzy_BoiB This user is from outside of this forum
    Binzy_BoiB This user is from outside of this forum
    Binzy_Boi
    wrote on last edited by binzy_boi@piefed.ca
    #1

    I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

    It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

    I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

    In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

    1. Students have been staging walkouts:
    • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
    • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
    • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
    1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
    • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
    • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
    • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
    1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
    • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
    • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
    • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

    I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

    For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

    I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

    For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

    This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

    However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

    Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

    Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

    But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

    Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

    I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

    Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

    Maple EngineerM paragone@lemmy.worldP veeeV C softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS 30 Replies Last reply
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    • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

      I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

      It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

      I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

      In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

      1. Students have been staging walkouts:
      • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
      • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
      • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
      1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
      • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
      • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
      • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
      1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
      • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
      • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
      • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

      I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

      For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

      I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

      For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

      This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

      However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

      Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

      Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

      But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

      Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

      I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

      Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

      Maple EngineerM This user is from outside of this forum
      Maple EngineerM This user is from outside of this forum
      Maple Engineer
      wrote on last edited by mapleengineer@lemmy.world
      #2

      I think that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who publicly identify as Albertans are loud mouthed, unnecessarily huge transsexual pick up truck driving, toxicly masculine, “alpha male”, racist, separatist, “mah rights” spewing sovereign citizen, anti-vax tantrumist maple MAGAts.

      I love the rest of you but fuck those guys.

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      • Maple EngineerM Maple Engineer

        I think that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who publicly identify as Albertans are loud mouthed, unnecessarily huge transsexual pick up truck driving, toxicly masculine, “alpha male”, racist, separatist, “mah rights” spewing sovereign citizen, anti-vax tantrumist maple MAGAts.

        I love the rest of you but fuck those guys.

        G This user is from outside of this forum
        G This user is from outside of this forum
        grte@lemmy.ca
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        I live in northern BC and there are a lot of those types around here.

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        • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

          I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

          It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

          I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

          In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

          1. Students have been staging walkouts:
          • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
          • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
          • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
          1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
          • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
          • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
          • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
          1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
          • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
          • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
          • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

          I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

          For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

          I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

          For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

          This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

          However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

          Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

          Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

          But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

          Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

          I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

          Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

          paragone@lemmy.worldP This user is from outside of this forum
          paragone@lemmy.worldP This user is from outside of this forum
          paragone@lemmy.world
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Hear Hear!


          To all Albertans who aren’t living in ideology ( ANY ideology: I now think they’re damned mind-parasites, trying to destroy our world, the same as rabies-viruses collaborate to do-so, to the lives they infect ),

          & there are many, gratitude to you for your culture of saying what you mean, & meaning what you say, which much of the rest of Canada could benefit significantly from…

          I’ve never been there, but an Albertan made a big impression on my mind, decades ago, at an accessibility meeting, then I knew some former-Albertans & they were good people, too, years later.

          Also, there was a program running in Afghanistan, & what it did was it got Afghani people to be employed outside of the drug-industry, & outside of the endless warlordism…

          They sometimes literally paid people to move hills, by hand, if that’s what it took to get people out from the cycles which kept drowning their country…

          It was winning…

          ( then Trump signed an agreement with somebody to pull the US out from Afghanistan, gutting everything )

          I don’t know what that program was called, but it took an Albertan to run it.

          ( read about it perhaps 1.5 decades ago, in some newspaper ).

          Gratitude for that, too.


          ALL of our provinces & territories have ideologues, who try to increase their importance/significance through making themselves look bigger than they are, right?

          We need to out-compete the ideologues.

          That is how we win Natural Selection!


          Namaste, & Kaizen, fellow Canuckians!

          _ /\ _

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          • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

            I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

            It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

            I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

            In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

            1. Students have been staging walkouts:
            • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
            • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
            • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
            1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
            • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
            • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
            • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
            1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
            • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
            • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
            • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

            I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

            For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

            I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

            For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

            This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

            However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

            Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

            Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

            But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

            Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

            I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

            Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

            veeeV This user is from outside of this forum
            veeeV This user is from outside of this forum
            veee
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            I think a lot more people here are more sympathetic for Albertans than we’re given credit for. We all watched the run-up to the Battle River-Crowfoot federal by-election, and can clearly see there are lots of people that care for their neighbours and are working hard to break the mould.

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            • G grte@lemmy.ca

              I live in northern BC and there are a lot of those types around here.

              Maple EngineerM This user is from outside of this forum
              Maple EngineerM This user is from outside of this forum
              Maple Engineer
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              I live in rural Ontario. Same here. There are dumbth everywhere.

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              • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                Everybody loves a scapegoat.

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                • Maple EngineerM Maple Engineer

                  I think that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who publicly identify as Albertans are loud mouthed, unnecessarily huge transsexual pick up truck driving, toxicly masculine, “alpha male”, racist, separatist, “mah rights” spewing sovereign citizen, anti-vax tantrumist maple MAGAts.

                  I love the rest of you but fuck those guys.

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                  Dude, you’re one of the worst offenders of what OP is talking about here. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve seen your “albertamagastan” comments.

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                  • Maple EngineerM Maple Engineer

                    I think that a big part of the problem is that many of the people who publicly identify as Albertans are loud mouthed, unnecessarily huge transsexual pick up truck driving, toxicly masculine, “alpha male”, racist, separatist, “mah rights” spewing sovereign citizen, anti-vax tantrumist maple MAGAts.

                    I love the rest of you but fuck those guys.

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                    Is there a lot of people like that identifying as Albertan, or do you identify people doing that IRL as Albertan, which would be a self-fulfilling prophecy?

                    Like, those guys exist and are a highly visible small minority here, but I have a strong feeling Ontarian Doug Ford voters do similar things.

                    As an aside, have you met Alberta separatists living outside of Alberta? I can actually believe they’d be that dumb and oblivious to irony, but damn. (Again IRL, rage bait doesn’t count)

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                      I think a lot more people here are more sympathetic for Albertans than we’re given credit for. We all watched the run-up to the Battle River-Crowfoot federal by-election, and can clearly see there are lots of people that care for their neighbours and are working hard to break the mould.

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                      Yes, but as a person here it is a bit jarring to be labeled that way, when it does happen. And it feeds into the exact alienation that Danielle Smith won on.

                      We all watched the run-up to the Battle River-Crowfoot federal by-election

                      The ironic thing being that’s a more straight example of Alberta being a conservative wasteland. I had conversations with people from there that started with how much they hated PP, and then seamlessly moved into how to correctly vote for him, with no warning or acknowledgement of the irony. IIRC he won with 80%+.

                      Although that also illustrates it’s more brand loyalty than genuine regressiveness, even in the most rural areas.

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                      • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                        I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                        It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                        I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                        In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                        1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                        • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                        • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                        • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                        1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                        • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                        • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                        • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                        1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                        • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                        • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                        • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                        I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                        For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                        I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                        For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                        This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                        However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                        Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                        Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                        But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                        Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                        I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                        Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                        Tell your neighbors to stop being bigoted hicks and literal Nazis, and people won’t look down on your right-wing community.

                        Alberta is the Texas of Canada

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                        • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                          I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                          It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                          I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                          In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                          1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                          • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                          • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                          • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                          1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                          • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                          • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                          • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                          1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                          • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                          • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                          • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                          I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                          For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                          I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                          For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                          This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                          However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                          Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                          Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                          But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                          Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                          I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                          Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                          It’s worth remembering that dividing the country and making us hate each other inherently leads to polarization, which inherently leads to completely unaligned parties succeeding each other which leads to wild amounts of waste and inefficiency from government as it swings back and forth between extremely different agendas.

                          There is a reason that our geopolitical enemies spend billions on campaigns to try and create division and hate. It truly does weaken us as a country.

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                          • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                            I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                            It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                            I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                            In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                            1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                            • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                            • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                            • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                            1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                            • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                            • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                            • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                            1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                            • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                            • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                            • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                            I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                            For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                            I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                            For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                            This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                            However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                            Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                            Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                            But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                            Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                            I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                            Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                            It’s like the old joke about lawyers: it’s just 90% who make the other 10% look bad.

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                            • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                              Is there a lot of people like that identifying as Albertan, or do you identify people doing that IRL as Albertan, which would be a self-fulfilling prophecy?

                              Like, those guys exist and are a highly visible small minority here, but I have a strong feeling Ontarian Doug Ford voters do similar things.

                              As an aside, have you met Alberta separatists living outside of Alberta? I can actually believe they’d be that dumb and oblivious to irony, but damn. (Again IRL, rage bait doesn’t count)

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                              You do see some of that in Ontario too, but it’s not a major political force here in the same way as Alberta. In Ontario their political will is more offset by the NDP, leaving the Conservatives and Liberals to battle for centrists in the middle.

                              In Alberta it seems that no one will vote Liberal, leaving the NDP to battle it out with the Conservatives, which mean that most of the time the Cons can just count on the centrist swing votes and pander to their base to win.

                              I think Alberta seems a lot more dogmatic to the rest of the country mostly because they have only elected PC governments despite their massive failings, until the brief fling with the NDP after decades and decades of mismanagement.

                              That being said, a lot of the recent extremism in Alberta has to do with that aide to Danielle Smith. She’s a huge pile of crap who originally pushed Doug Ford to be a lot more extreme and divisive, and once they fell out she went to D Smith and D Ford mellowed out somewhat.

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                                I live in northern BC and there are a lot of those types around here.

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                                Southern BC too!

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                                • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                                  I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                                  It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                                  I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                                  In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                                  1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                                  • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                                  • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                                  • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                                  1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                                  • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                                  • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                                  • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                                  1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                                  • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                                  • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                                  • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                                  I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                                  For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                                  I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                                  For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                                  This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                                  However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                                  Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                                  Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                                  But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                                  Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                                  I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                                  Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                                  Québec: “Première fois?”

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                                  • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                                    Tell your neighbors to stop being bigoted hicks and literal Nazis, and people won’t look down on your right-wing community.

                                    Alberta is the Texas of Canada

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                                    Way to perpetuate the discrimination that OP was pointing out. Geez. 🙄

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                                    • M masterspace@lemmy.ca

                                      You do see some of that in Ontario too, but it’s not a major political force here in the same way as Alberta. In Ontario their political will is more offset by the NDP, leaving the Conservatives and Liberals to battle for centrists in the middle.

                                      In Alberta it seems that no one will vote Liberal, leaving the NDP to battle it out with the Conservatives, which mean that most of the time the Cons can just count on the centrist swing votes and pander to their base to win.

                                      I think Alberta seems a lot more dogmatic to the rest of the country mostly because they have only elected PC governments despite their massive failings, until the brief fling with the NDP after decades and decades of mismanagement.

                                      That being said, a lot of the recent extremism in Alberta has to do with that aide to Danielle Smith. She’s a huge pile of crap who originally pushed Doug Ford to be a lot more extreme and divisive, and once they fell out she went to D Smith and D Ford mellowed out somewhat.

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                                      The NDP basically is the Liberal party here. It’s headed by Nenshi, who historically wouldn’t commit to a side between conservatives and liberals, and they’re thinking about dropping the name entirely. Forget about the labels and federal politics.

                                      You have to remember that before the 40 year Conservative dynasty there was a 40 year Social Credit dynasty. The elections weren’t contested, and brand loyalty especially in rural areas is still insane. Post-Notley everything is new and different, and crazy promises about having our cake and eating it too are fueling Danielle Smith’s populist movement, which has hollowed out the UCP.

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                                      • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                                        I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                                        It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                                        I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                                        In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                                        1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                                        • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                                        • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                                        • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                                        1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                                        • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                                        • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                                        • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                                        1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                                        • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                                        • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                                        • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                                        I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                                        For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                                        I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                                        For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                                        This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                                        However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                                        Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                                        Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                                        But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                                        Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                                        I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                                        Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                                        I don’t hate all Albertans if it makes you feel any better.

                                        I think Danielle Smith and her UCP is the problem, but I know that when tensions get high, some overly broad generalizations get made because in order for Danielle to be in power there must have been at least enough people that agree with her to vote for her.

                                        I don’t think ALL Albertans are a problem, just the ones that think like her.

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                                        • Binzy_BoiB Binzy_Boi

                                          I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

                                          It doesn’t matter if you’re politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn’t matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn’t matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you’re Albertan.

                                          I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans “HUGE pussies” for “giving up our rights”.

                                          In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we’re “simply giving up” is completely false, using the following facts:

                                          1. Students have been staging walkouts:
                                          • CBC: Calgary students among thousands across Alberta taking part in provincewide walkout
                                          • Global News: Alberta students walk out of class in support of teachers forced back to work
                                          • OkotoksOnline: High River students walkout in support of teachers
                                          1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a “general strike if necessary”
                                          • Global News: ‘General strike if necessary’: Alberta unions declare intent to bring down UCP government
                                          • CPAC: Alberta Union Leaders Respond to Smith Government’s Back-to-Work Legislation
                                          • CityNews Calgary: No general strike yet as Alberta labour unions mobilize against Smith government
                                          1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order
                                          • CTV News: Majority of Alberta Gov’t Report Card respondents feel province headed in wrong direction
                                          • Angus Reid: Teachers’ Strike: Most Albertans side with teachers as they criticize UCP’s handling of education
                                          • Calgary Herald: ‘Reputational challenges’: New poll shows public support for Smith, UCP has dipped amid teachers’ strike (Yes I know it’s PostMedia, it’s still relevant and correct in this case)

                                          I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

                                          For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I’m registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I’m from.

                                          I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

                                          For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a “long time” before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

                                          This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed’s Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta’s economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

                                          However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you’re Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

                                          Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as “special” and forcing “everyone else to adapt” to us. Clearly the “majority” of people in Alberta are “hateful morons” and “insular xenophobes” .

                                          Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you’ve met, I would know, I live here.

                                          But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I’m a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

                                          Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I’m born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don’t make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who’s in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

                                          I am an Albertan who doesn’t want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

                                          Edit: I don’t know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1’s, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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                                          From your perspective, what are the major problems your province needs fixed?

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