I didn’t know 13 year olds used Lemmy.

“Collapse is a process, not an event.” It’s very likely we’ll be extinct by the end of the century. There will be all manner of hell from now until then. Our population of over 8 billion is only possible because of a highly complex global web of systems. Complex systems are fragile. Once dominos start falling, people will start starving very quickly.

I gave up a long time ago. The last time we really did anything about an issue like this was lead in gasoline. 50+ years of knowing we had to change. I wonder if maybe the wealthy elites know whats coming. I wonder if this new rise in facism is partially an answer to the fact that there won’t be enough of anything to go around. That is why they want us having babies. for soliders. I hope they have some spark of humanity and let people self terminate but I bet you would need money for it.

Let’s be clear about something; climate scientists almost universally agree that there is no such thing as “winning” or “losing” the fight against climate change (Suzuki, for the record, is a zoologist, not a climate scientist). This isn’t a game, there’s no referee, and no one gets a trophy at the end.

The battle against climate change is about mitigating harm. The worse we do, the more harm there will be. But there is never a point where it is “too late”. The car is going to crash, but the sooner you hit the brakes, the less damaging the impact will be. Everything we do to push the needle will save lives. There is never a point where we get to throw up our hands and succumb to the comforting fantasy that it’s “too late” to change anything.

I have a lot of respect for Suzuki, and I don’t blame him for feeling defeated with everything that’s happening, but spreading this kind of message is, dangerous, damaging, and flies entirely in the face of the science.

I’m pretty sure that’s what the grab for Ukraine and Trump’s stated intent to annex Greenland is about. Both of those have the potential to become food security sources after significant global heating. I’m also pretty sure that’s why authoritarians are seizing control of govt (and by extension that govts security services) because there won’t be enough to go around and they’re going to need soldiers to keep the hungry people away from their billionaire breadbaskets.

How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

Hard disagree, this is a liberal doing the usual thing. As John Bellamy Foster elaborates on in his articles and books, the fight against climate change isn’t lost, it’s been abandoned by the ruling class of imperial core countries. Look up some of his stuff on Monthly Review the ecological rift is a very important concept that never appears in the kind of discourse you’re posting

Genuinely seen conspiracy theorists say “they removed lead paint to that they can control you with 5g”

If we still had lead gasoline, people would say you can pry it out of their cold dead hands

This is fine

Giving up is exactly where the “too late” come from, quitter shouldn’t be leading climate advocacy.

I mean…the next steps involves lots of fire and death…so…that’s not going to save the environment either but it will certainly send a message.

Yep, Trump just put all our climate mitigation funds into big oil. We’re cooked.

Back before George W Bush directed NASA to call it climate change, it was called global warming, and you can definitely win against that - by stopping the earth from warming. That’s unwinnable due to feedback loops that have now begun.

Hunker down while growing the world’s population!

What about ozone layer?

Just wanted to add that maybe the last thing that we did for the environment and that really worked was for acid rain in 1991. At least where I live.

A few years before that there was the Montreal Protocol that banned CFCs and helped to heal the hole in the ozone layer. I think.

But yeah, I don’t remember anything of the sort recently,

I am way ahead of you.

People are doing that. Fertility rates are way below replacement rates. Now billionaires are freaking out that their customer base and work force is shrinking.

Hooooly shit, that man is a sociopath. It’s no wonder we’re barrelling into 5°C with people like him driving the world’s economy.

He’s done the classic trader thing:

1. Classify everything based on its financial value
2. Ignore the real-world implications of things that don’t fit his models
3. Take it as a given that markets will always behave the same way regardless of point 2.

Sort of? I don’t think he mentioned tipping points anywhere in there, it was pretty non-specific and ranty, but if we’ve passed a tipping point it becomes less a matter of applying a brake and more of actively causing massive climate change in the other direction. Failing that, the warming trend and other shifts will stop when the Earth reaches a new balance and no sooner.

Nobody really knows where those tipping points are. The Paris thresholds were our expert’s best guesses for a “safe” amount of warming.

The typical Lemming will be poorer but fine, unless it triggers other human disasters like a nuclear exchange. The lower classes of Bangladesh, less so, and 95%+ of coral reefs are fucked.