At least 11 Toronto speed cameras vandalized this week
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Honest to god, it’s not that hard to do 40 km/h in these zones. They post a sign telling you there’s a speed camera coming up. You just have to go 40 for like 20 meters to avoid a ticket.
Why should we socialize the cost of “fixing” the road design, when we can instead make the individuals who speed pay?
We donthat because we found that wide roads make people drive faster unconsciously. If you design roads badly, people will speed, it will be dangerous. Design roads better and you save lives.
Putting up signs is what most countries have done for decades with exactly 0 results.
A slightly different post had road fatalities in a graph for the US, Canada, and Australia, showing insane levels of road deaths. A secondary graph was added showing the Netherlands at a fraction of those countries, even though the Netherlands is much more densly populated.
Wanna know why? Because the Netherlands does this all the time. Any time an intersection has a lot of accidents, they break up the damn thing and put in a completely newly designed one, and traffic deaths go down. A road has too much speeding? They’ll tear out that crap, put in a new road designed in such a way that people will automatically drive the correct speed et voila, speeding stops, Ross fatalities go down
That’s why you want to do that
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This is something that has been proven over and over. Make the roads smaller and people automatically start driving slower.
Sure, thereay still be an eventually asshole but with the right design you could make a risky (for you) 80 in a 60 zone, but you can’t do 100 because you wouldn’t make it. That already helps curbing the worst but it’s also a psychological thing that makes most people slow down to the speed that you want. It’s much more effective than speeding cameras but it doesn’t make money
doesn’t make money
It also COSTS an incredible amount of money. Ontario has some pretty terrible, unmaintained roads, before we start hand holding BMWs so they don’t get tickets we should be repairing our existing infrastructure and maybe putting in some more bike lanes.
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People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
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I get it, good road design helps stop speeding but the idea that safety even crosses the mind of people going 80 in a 60 is laughable.
The fines should be compounding, after each ticket the fine goes up 10% until people learn to just drive the fuckin limit.
It’s not about actual safety, but perceived safety. If the design directly prevents you from feeling like you can go fast, you don’t do it.
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The Ottawa Protocol
90 kph
Speed camera
50 kph
Past speed camera
90 kph
While not ideal, this can still be useful. In Sweden, we employ speed cameras strategically around areas of higher risk, such as intersections with cars coming onto a larger road with an obscured view. Reducing the speed in that particular spot does probably save lives.
Still, adjusting the design speed is the preferable alternative, but that does not make speed cameras completely ineffective.
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57-50=17? Did you attend school in America, or something? ChatGPT spit that answer out for you?
The speed limit was 40, as per the story.
It is really funny to me that you insult my level of education while failing at solving a word problem though, so thank you for that.
I got a 100 dollar ticket for driving 57 in what was normally a 50 km zone
I was going 7 over the limit as per my story, a great big 50km/h hour sign where 40 km/h was only enforced certain hours of the day, certain days of the week, certain months of the year
Reading comprehension ain’t your strong suit, eh bud?
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How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.
There are many forms of traffic management that don’t require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety
Where do you live that nobody drives unsafely and infrastructure can just be overhauled as soon as a problem is identified? I want to move there!
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Yes, yes, ban all cars, cars bad, drivers bad, noxious exhaust bad, aggressive drivers bad, and so on and so on, ad infinitum. See y’all in December-March at -40^0^C on your electric scooter that is totally non-polluting (what? is electricity totally non-polluting?) trying to navigate uncleared, dilapidated, pot-holed. roads to get anywhere.
Or better still, let’s spend billions beginning with car-friendly infrastructure destruction; neglect regular road, bridge, and tunnel maintenance; and create nodes of community: 15-min walking cities. (*walking times vary by mobility, weather, and your health).
Well, villages.
Well, enclaves.
Well, compounds.
Do car-haters ever think farther than the end of their noses? Do they know what cause and effect is? Do they understand that 15-min walking cities make NIMBY communities? New mental health facility? NIMBY. New correctional facility? NIMBY. New addictions treatment center? NIMBY. Who gets them? The Untermensch who cannot afford to resist their placement.
All in the name of regressing away from cars and making tribal enclaves of like-minded, equally righteous, and (perhaps, most importantly) fiscally advantaged homogeneity.
Hating on cars is the tissue paper veneer of classism and, by extension, racism.
You really want to fight climate change? Too late: you have missed that during your fixation on one aspect (exactly as the petro-industry wanted) of the fight. Now start looking at how you’re going to survive it’s effects. Cause while you were raging against cars, we have passed the PNR on climate devastation.
And if your scooter doesn’t have A/C, it’s pretty useless in the April-November +40^0^C period as well. Because that’s what climate change is: extremes.
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People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
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I get it, good road design helps stop speeding but the idea that safety even crosses the mind of people going 80 in a 60 is laughable.
The fines should be compounding, after each ticket the fine goes up 10% until people learn to just drive the fuckin limit.
Any crime you can pay your way out of without any other repercussions just punishes poor people. To the wealthy it’s just cost of having fun.
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How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.
There are many forms of traffic management that don’t require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety
Why make it more complicated for self driving cars? Several companies already have decent AD systems. Realistically more than 100% of cars will be driven with some degree of automation in the next decade.
Just ticket as a percentage of total wealth. Even billionaires can’t afford too many $250M tickets.
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Instead of wasting money on speed cameras and reducing speeds, we should be aggressively ticketing distracted drivers and pedestrians, and people who struggle to reach the limit in the first place.
wasting money
Who’s got a higher salary, a cop or a camera?
Ticketing pedestrians
How about fuck no not in a million years. The LAST thing we need is to tell cops to go out and aggressively harass anyone who “looks distracted.”
Even if cars were the responsibility of people walking (they aren’t, wtf?) there’s a 0% chance this could go smoothly.
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I got a 100 dollar ticket for driving 57 in what was normally a 50 km zone
I was going 7 over the limit as per my story, a great big 50km/h hour sign where 40 km/h was only enforced certain hours of the day, certain days of the week, certain months of the year
Reading comprehension ain’t your strong suit, eh bud?
You were going 17 over the posted limit, as per your story, and weren’t aware enough to know about it.
Reading comprehension ain’t your strong suit, eh bud?
Thanks for another one. Keep it going DJ Khaled.
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wasting money
Who’s got a higher salary, a cop or a camera?
Ticketing pedestrians
How about fuck no not in a million years. The LAST thing we need is to tell cops to go out and aggressively harass anyone who “looks distracted.”
Even if cars were the responsibility of people walking (they aren’t, wtf?) there’s a 0% chance this could go smoothly.
Who’s got a higher salary, a cop or a camera?
What’s more effective at changing bad driving behaviour, being caught in the moment and spending 10 min on the side ofbthe road getting a ticket, or getting a ticket in the mail a couple if weeks later when you’ve probably forgotten that you were even on that road at that time?
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How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.
There are many forms of traffic management that don’t require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety
People won’t speed if they cannot speed safely.
You have more faith in humanity than I do.
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UK we have had speed cameras for ages. There was a trend for people to either spray paint the lens or even firebomb the camera. So they had to put in a second (video) camera mounted as high as possible to protect the first camera, quite amusing that a safety camera has to be kept safe by another safety cameras, its cameras all the way down.
Personally I think speed cameras that monitor a fixed point are pretty dumb unless that fixed point is an accident black spot such as outside a school or a red light camera for dangerous set of traffic lights. Its far better to have average speed cameras for a large section of road but those are more costly as you need way more cameras to make them work outside of motorways as you need to cover all the junctions properly.
Latest cameras we have in testing can see if you do not have your seat belt done up or are using your phone. Just stopping people from using their phone has to be the biggest step forward we can make with modern road safety.
Ah yes, the good old UK where it’s normal to arrest people for saying mean things on the internet and you’ve disarmed the working class, not to mention the UK created the biggest human rights problem in the middle east when your prime minister Balfour released the balfour declaration and now we have a settler colonial ethno nationalist apartheid state flagrantly committing genocide while using DARVO psychological abuse tactics and pretending to be the victim. thanks for all that white anglo saxon British imperialism!!!
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People vandalize speed cameras
Toronto city council decided last week that it will install “larger, more visible and clearer” signs to warn drivers where automated speed enforcement cameras are located in the city.
“HEY VANDALS! THE SPEED CAMERAS ARE OVER HERE!”
Temples fingers
Ex…cellent!
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Who’s got a higher salary, a cop or a camera?
What’s more effective at changing bad driving behaviour, being caught in the moment and spending 10 min on the side ofbthe road getting a ticket, or getting a ticket in the mail a couple if weeks later when you’ve probably forgotten that you were even on that road at that time?
Then you tick the court date box and mail it back to them. Then two or three years later, you get a court date, so you dust off your form letter charter 11b challenge, send it off to all relevant parties, head down to the Winchester and wait for all of this to blow over.
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Ah yes, the good old UK where it’s normal to arrest people for saying mean things on the internet and you’ve disarmed the working class, not to mention the UK created the biggest human rights problem in the middle east when your prime minister Balfour released the balfour declaration and now we have a settler colonial ethno nationalist apartheid state flagrantly committing genocide while using DARVO psychological abuse tactics and pretending to be the victim. thanks for all that white anglo saxon British imperialism!!!
Thanks for your contribution!
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The Ottawa Protocol
90 kph
Speed camera
50 kph
Past speed camera
90 kph
Nobody drives 90 in Ottawa. Especially not on the 417.
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People vandalize speed cameras
Toronto city council decided last week that it will install “larger, more visible and clearer” signs to warn drivers where automated speed enforcement cameras are located in the city.
“HEY VANDALS! THE SPEED CAMERAS ARE OVER HERE!”
They need cameras pointing at the speed cameras to catch the vandals, and maybe cameras pointing at those cameras just in case.
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They need cameras pointing at the speed cameras to catch the vandals, and maybe cameras pointing at those cameras just in case.
I would bet good money on it being only a matter of time before they vandalize the cameras watching cameras.
