Prime Minister Mark Carney is under intense pressure from the United States and Car Companies to make an electric vehicle U-turn.
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EVs are a halfway solution anyway. We need to be investing in mass transit. If every car turned into an EV, we would still have politicians like Doug Ford trying to tunnel under a highway to end gridlock, we would still have motorists claiming bikes cause congestion, we would still be creating tonnes of tire waste and microplastics pollution, people will continue to die on roads while accidents could get worse due to extra weight, and our roads will wear down faster and cost more to maintain due to the extra weight.
In the grand scheme of things, EVs solve almost none of the major problems presented by cars.
Just one more highway, finished 15 years from now, will solve traffic!
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
I agree, EV’s aren’t a complete climate solution. Do car company’s or trump need more capitulation though? Haven’t they gotten enough.
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
Capitulation Carney
Don’t make this a theme
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
Please provide a source for the quote beginning with, “We do not have a trade problem”, and change the title to match what the Politico is (rule 1 of this instance.)
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
Sounds like someone wants to lose their sales to BYD and Europe.
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I’m not exactly anti EV. If a car must exist it might as well be electric, but just converting every car into an EV is not enough. Plus there are other massive benefits to transit like increasing density and diversity in zoning, which could increase housing supply and make small businesses more versatile and resilent.
Transit is also much cheaper than car ownership which lifts low income people up by reducing their transportation costs. Its also more fair, a 14 year old, a blind person, or someone with a suspended lisence could all take transit when none of them should be driving.
If a car must exist it might as well be electric,
That’s an important bit of nuance.
Even if every province and city were to go all-in on prioritizing public transit over new car-focused infrastructure, we are decades away from transit being available at a scale to everyone who needs it. EVs are a practical interim solution.
And there will always be practical reasons for individual vehicles (contractors, service vehicles, delivery vehicles, rural places, etc) where public transit is not realistic, and those vehicles really need to move to EV.
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
Good. Canada should be teaming up with toyota and building infrastructure for hydrogen vehicles.
Also mass transit. Trains built this country. Not cars.
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
There’s a lot of words missing in in the first statement. Shareholders in American auto manufacturers other than Tesla want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. Also note that elsewhere in the world internal combustion cars are losing ground to electric vehicles. Do we really want to attach ourselves to this sinking ship?
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EVs are a halfway solution anyway. We need to be investing in mass transit. If every car turned into an EV, we would still have politicians like Doug Ford trying to tunnel under a highway to end gridlock, we would still have motorists claiming bikes cause congestion, we would still be creating tonnes of tire waste and microplastics pollution, people will continue to die on roads while accidents could get worse due to extra weight, and our roads will wear down faster and cost more to maintain due to the extra weight.
In the grand scheme of things, EVs solve almost none of the major problems presented by cars.
We need to be investing in electric mass transit. Powered by renewables.
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We need to be investing in electric mass transit. Powered by renewables.
Even disiel electric is much better than private automobiles we should start by building electric but any transit is better than none. We need to prioritize laying tram and train tracks. Once those are laid we can easily upgrade to electric.
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Good. Canada should be teaming up with toyota and building infrastructure for hydrogen vehicles.
Also mass transit. Trains built this country. Not cars.
Hydrogen powered cars will never be a thing.
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
I have seen a few small electric vehicles reviewed on youtube. I am in Canada and would buy one today if available. 99 % of my travel is less than 2km to the grocer. I put on well under 10,000km/yr.
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Good. Canada should be teaming up with toyota and building infrastructure for hydrogen vehicles.
Also mass transit. Trains built this country. Not cars.
Not even Japan is mass adopting hydrogen vehicle infrastructure, why would we? How many hydrogen cars are on the road?
Mass transit? Yes 100%. Hydrogen vehicle infrastructure? No. Not at a mass scale, or not on the near future, anyway.
How many hydrogen cars are on the road in Canada? A few hundred, maybe a few thousand? We’re not going to build infrastructure around a concept when even the heaviest adopters of that concept aren’t fully behind it.
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Not even Japan is mass adopting hydrogen vehicle infrastructure, why would we? How many hydrogen cars are on the road?
Mass transit? Yes 100%. Hydrogen vehicle infrastructure? No. Not at a mass scale, or not on the near future, anyway.
How many hydrogen cars are on the road in Canada? A few hundred, maybe a few thousand? We’re not going to build infrastructure around a concept when even the heaviest adopters of that concept aren’t fully behind it.
Not even Japan is mass adopting hydrogen vehicle infrastructure, why would we? How many hydrogen cars are on the road?
Toyota is just rolling out viable models now.
not on the near future, anyway.
Ah there’s the moving goal post.
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I have seen a few small electric vehicles reviewed on youtube. I am in Canada and would buy one today if available. 99 % of my travel is less than 2km to the grocer. I put on well under 10,000km/yr.
I don’t see it being viable for me as my car sits in front of my house most of the time (love the walkable neighbourhood) and then suddenly makes a 700 km trip once a month, and I can’t charge it at home, and the charging options are ass at my destination, and there’s exactly one fast charger on the route. The constant fast charging would also hammer my battery like crazy, and I total roughly 25,000 km in a year. To top it all off, the station wagon / practical sedan / large hatchback EV offering is very slim, and I really hated the “sitting on a skateboard” feel of the IONIQ 6, it made my legs ache.
But I’m a perfect storm. For someone who does not go far often and can charge at home (that happens to be the vast majority of people who need a car), EVs are basically perfect. Just rent a car or take a plane the few times you need to go out of range from a charger, or just plan for charging.
What I want for myself is a plug-in hybrid, but they’re kinda rare, expensive, make little sense for most people and aren’t really available in a sedan / wagon form factor.
I love EVs, I like driving them, and I think they would go great with a general reduction of total vehicles on the road (i.e. more effective public transit), more right to repair and less telemetry.
Addendum - My case sounds like it would be perfect for using car sharing like Communauto, but they’re really expensive for my use case, and tracking one down has been such a complete pain in the past that the extra cost of maintaining my own vehicle was worth it for the ability to be able to up and leave for work at a moment’s notice wherever I’m needed. I remember having to travel an hour into town to get to my Communauto rental, just to discover it’s in limp mode, it’s trashed, etc. They’re much better nowadays, but my pandemic then-new-car is now mostly paid off.
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EVs are a halfway solution anyway. We need to be investing in mass transit. If every car turned into an EV, we would still have politicians like Doug Ford trying to tunnel under a highway to end gridlock, we would still have motorists claiming bikes cause congestion, we would still be creating tonnes of tire waste and microplastics pollution, people will continue to die on roads while accidents could get worse due to extra weight, and our roads will wear down faster and cost more to maintain due to the extra weight.
In the grand scheme of things, EVs solve almost none of the major problems presented by cars.
EVs should replace cars that need to be replaced, let’s not re-create the ecological disaster that was “cash 4 junkers”.
And yes, they should go alongside a large reduction in total vehicles on the road using practical, fast, accessible, clean (as in maintained) electric and cheap public transit subsidized mostly by car owners and in small part by other taxes.
Let’s reduce traffic and traffic violence by reducing the total number of vehicles from the road, making driver’s ed more complete and stricter, and gently discouraging people in high-density, transit-friendly cities from owning personal vehicles.
We will also see the costs of road maintenance go down, unused lanes that can be reclaimed, and less asphalt to absorb heat and keep the earth from draining properly, all while keeping the remaining car traffic relatively efficient, with less idling and faster time to destination while requiring lower speeds, which EVs excel at.
Sorry, I’ve ranted all over this thread, but I feel very strongly about a balanced and supported approach to mass transit, car dependence reduction and picking the right usage model (car pool, car share, rental, ownership) and car size for your needs.
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Hydrogen powered cars will never be a thing.
Hydrogen powered motion technology is a fat cope from the fossil fuel industry. Most hydrogen is either blue (bio) or gray (fossil) hydrogen, whose manufacturing releases pollutants. Only the rare green hydrogen is renewable, and it is more expensive.
They do have some advantages, such as better range and speed of charge, but hydrogen cars seem to mostly be a technological dead end while batteries get better.
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Not even Japan is mass adopting hydrogen vehicle infrastructure, why would we? How many hydrogen cars are on the road?
Toyota is just rolling out viable models now.
not on the near future, anyway.
Ah there’s the moving goal post.
Ah, so they’re just rolling out viable models now, so we should build infrastructure based on something that’s just starting to be viable in that one specific location? Nah.
I’m not sure you know what moving the goal posts means.
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I’m not exactly anti EV. If a car must exist it might as well be electric, but just converting every car into an EV is not enough. Plus there are other massive benefits to transit like increasing density and diversity in zoning, which could increase housing supply and make small businesses more versatile and resilent.
Transit is also much cheaper than car ownership which lifts low income people up by reducing their transportation costs. Its also more fair, a 14 year old, a blind person, or someone with a suspended lisence could all take transit when none of them should be driving.
Well put, cities and transportation should be designed for all ages of people and easy to get around.
All to often people forget when you get older you will loose access to a car. This leave with with limited options in how to leave your home. Similarly if you are young, you don’t have access to a car and are at the whims of mom and dad driving you around.
Cars either electric or ICE are not what we should design cities around. We need transit, and cities that allow independence at all age groups.
I have seen to many older folks complaining about independence and feeling like they lost it especially when they get too old to drive.
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According to Politico, Mark Carney is under intense pressure.
Auto Manufacturers want to get rid of the electric vehicle mandate. They simply refuse to sell more small electric cars in Canada, claiming it’s impossible / unprofitable.
They also say Donald Trump is now President of the United States. Climate Change is no longer an american concern. The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada should follow the US, whether it likes or not.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/10/canada-ev-mandate-elon-musk-tesla-00446980
“The political climate in the United States has changed and Canada must follow the US, whether it likes or not.”
