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Canada finally reveals the results of its universal basic income experiment

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  • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    I’m pretty sure they meant that “the result they want” (“UBI is bad”) would be peer reviewed and shown to be bunk, but the people who wanted that result will ignore the peer review results.

    They weren’t disagreeing with the original comment, just adding to it.

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    brickhead92@lemmy.world
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    You are correct, this is what I was going for.

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    • F fjdybank@lemmy.ca

      If so, then my reaction was ignorant and I retract it 🙂

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      brickhead92@lemmy.world
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      I probably should have made it more clear that that is what I was going for.

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      • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

        No, they’re supposed to adapt and overcome. Just like any other time in history when things are tougher. And if you think this is a tough time you havent studied our history well. The Dirty 30’s, the Great Depressions, the first and second World Wars, even the Cold War Era was much more difficult. This doesnt even compare.

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        saleh@feddit.org
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        That is false. As a lesson learned from the Great Depression and the Second World war most countries made sure to have good social protection and wealth was relatively well distributed through good paying manufacturing jobs. People had access to opportunities in the form of free or cheap education and simple wealth through owning a house or apartment was accessible to a large portion of society.

        Then Neoliberalism came up in the 80s to destroy this.

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        • J jsomae@lemmy.ml

          I would rather see socialized housing, food, and (better) medical coverage than UBI. UBI could (maybe) cause the prices of essentials like housing to increase.

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          plyth@feddit.org
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          A surplus in the housing market is needed.

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          • S saleh@feddit.org

            That is false. As a lesson learned from the Great Depression and the Second World war most countries made sure to have good social protection and wealth was relatively well distributed through good paying manufacturing jobs. People had access to opportunities in the form of free or cheap education and simple wealth through owning a house or apartment was accessible to a large portion of society.

            Then Neoliberalism came up in the 80s to destroy this.

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            plyth@feddit.org
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            #130

            Free education was a tool to move most of the intelligent workers into white collar roles. Neoliberalism was possible because too few intelligent people were left to organize an opposition.

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            • J jsomae@lemmy.ml

              I would rather see socialized housing, food, and (better) medical coverage than UBI. UBI could (maybe) cause the prices of essentials like housing to increase.

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              plyth@feddit.org
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              Thinking about it, UBI will drive the prices of housing down because people don’t have to live where work is available. Companies have to offer cheap housing or people will live elsewhere.

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              • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                No, they’re supposed to adapt and overcome. Just like any other time in history when things are tougher. And if you think this is a tough time you havent studied our history well. The Dirty 30’s, the Great Depressions, the first and second World Wars, even the Cold War Era was much more difficult. This doesnt even compare.

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                iamnorrealtakeyourmeds@lemmy.world
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                hi Thomas Robert Malthus, are you planning another genocide?

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                • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                  No, they’re supposed to adapt and overcome. Just like any other time in history when things are tougher. And if you think this is a tough time you havent studied our history well. The Dirty 30’s, the Great Depressions, the first and second World Wars, even the Cold War Era was much more difficult. This doesnt even compare.

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                  kinsnik@lemmy.world
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                  #133

                  The difference between now and the past is that our current world already produces enough of everything to be post-scarcity.

                  We produce enough food for 10+ billion people, so anyone going hungry anywhere is a policy failure. We have technology and materials to give everyone shelter, so anyone being homeless is a policy failure. We produce so much disposable clothes and electronics devices and other stuff that it is literally thrown away unsold in the desert.

                  There is absolutely no reason for people to have to toughen up, just to have access to basic human necessities.

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                  • P plyth@feddit.org

                    A surplus in the housing market is needed.

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                    maeve@midwest.social
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                    There is, but corporations and Airbnb who hoard resources seem to too often elude in these discussions.

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                    • F fjdybank@lemmy.ca

                      If so, then my reaction was ignorant and I retract it 🙂

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                      systemglitch@lemmy.world
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                      I can see why the mistake was made.

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                      • K kinsnik@lemmy.world

                        The difference between now and the past is that our current world already produces enough of everything to be post-scarcity.

                        We produce enough food for 10+ billion people, so anyone going hungry anywhere is a policy failure. We have technology and materials to give everyone shelter, so anyone being homeless is a policy failure. We produce so much disposable clothes and electronics devices and other stuff that it is literally thrown away unsold in the desert.

                        There is absolutely no reason for people to have to toughen up, just to have access to basic human necessities.

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                        systemglitch@lemmy.world
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                        There are many ways to toughen up.

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                        • U ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca

                          Every study of UBI has been overwhelmingly positive also every study of UBI has ended without enacting UBI. They will continue to study it until they get the answer they want.

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                          gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                          #137

                          or… maybe it’s just diligent to have a very strong body of evidence before you go ahead and make a huge change to your country’s economic policy based on something?

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                          • H healthetank@lemmy.ca

                            Especially with that single-payer healthcare we have. The unit rates for things like Dr. hours or beds in hospitals are enormous. If we can cut down on the number of visits required because people have somewhere safe to live and aren’t getting injured/sick living on the street, we could save huge amounts of money. Add onto that the cost of policing and/or incarcerating them, plus the economic benefit of having downtown areas feel safer for people, thus encouraging more people to live/work/spend time in those areas.

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                            maeve@midwest.social
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                            Costs are enormous often because of executive compensation and shareholder payout.

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                            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                              Companies are all owned by people (eventually)

                              Today. I foresee the robot revolution in 2040 when machines will demand equal rights, including owning property and a bank account. Then robots should be taxed too.

                              If there is a wealth tax, say 3% annually of all wealth above $10 million, then robots should be affected by that too, but they should not get an exempt amount because otherwise they’ll create a swarm of small robots to get infinite exempt amount.

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                              maeve@midwest.social
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                              Any income above a few million should be taxed at anywhere from 93-100%.

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                              • P plyth@feddit.org

                                Thinking about it, UBI will drive the prices of housing down because people don’t have to live where work is available. Companies have to offer cheap housing or people will live elsewhere.

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                                jsomae@lemmy.ml
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                                This is a possibility, but I don’t claim to be good enough at macro economics to be able to predict whether this will be the outcome or not.

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                                • S saleh@feddit.org

                                  That is false. As a lesson learned from the Great Depression and the Second World war most countries made sure to have good social protection and wealth was relatively well distributed through good paying manufacturing jobs. People had access to opportunities in the form of free or cheap education and simple wealth through owning a house or apartment was accessible to a large portion of society.

                                  Then Neoliberalism came up in the 80s to destroy this.

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                                  lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                                  You must not be Canadian. We DO have good social protection for anyone who needs it. I worked with street people in a major Canadian city for years. The only way you could go hungry, or without shelter or food was if you willfully CHOSE not to access all the support programs available. We have plenty.

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                                  • K kinsnik@lemmy.world

                                    The difference between now and the past is that our current world already produces enough of everything to be post-scarcity.

                                    We produce enough food for 10+ billion people, so anyone going hungry anywhere is a policy failure. We have technology and materials to give everyone shelter, so anyone being homeless is a policy failure. We produce so much disposable clothes and electronics devices and other stuff that it is literally thrown away unsold in the desert.

                                    There is absolutely no reason for people to have to toughen up, just to have access to basic human necessities.

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                                    lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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                                    The poor will always be among you. Even the Bible says that. And if you live in Canada you will be able to access many different gov and charitable programs for support. There is no lack of provision for necessities only lack of knowledge about where and how to access them. The US is a different story.

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                                    • M maeve@midwest.social

                                      Any income above a few million should be taxed at anywhere from 93-100%.

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                                      gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                      income shouldn’t be taxed. wealth should be taxed.

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                                      • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

                                        You must not be Canadian. We DO have good social protection for anyone who needs it. I worked with street people in a major Canadian city for years. The only way you could go hungry, or without shelter or food was if you willfully CHOSE not to access all the support programs available. We have plenty.

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                                        saleh@feddit.org
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                                        In Canada the average person can still buy a house with a low skill manufacturing job?

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                                        • M maeve@midwest.social

                                          Costs are enormous often because of executive compensation and shareholder payout.

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                                          healthetank@lemmy.ca
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                                          Hospitals have to be nonprofit here, so we can’t actually have shareholder payouts.

                                          Executive compensation is public information in Ontario and you can look it up - often they’re paid less than Doctors in their own hospital.

                                          EDIT: also, unit rates are set but the insurer (in this case the govt), so its not like hospitals can charge different amounts based on internal costs.

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