But if it were to go back to one income households, would only men have jobs?

In a lot of areas, two incomes per household is the only thing that keeps it a household. There is no need for propaganda.

I never said it needs to be gender linked but there needs to be at least one parent at home at all times

If that means 2 incomes with both parents working half time for the same pay, then so be it.

Don’t really appreciate you trying to pigeonhole me tho, but it’s all I’ve come to expect from lemmy

I’m not pigeonholing you, I’m responding in context to what I said earlier.

A lot of the definition of being a good man and husband comes from being a provider; a definition that hasn’t changed while the definition of a good woman and wife has increased to helping to significantly provide for a family.

If you don’t change the social acceptance of men doing other things than provide for a family, it is going to cause significant issues for those men who aren’t working.

Only because of the world wars normalizing full employment. Before then only the most poverty level households required two incomes and even then it wasn’t universal

The propaganda is what has normalized it in your mind. The last 3 generations proves what happens when you let kids raise themselves

No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.

Parents are a big part of this problem. Teachers report behaviors and give recommendations, the parents then deny it happens, or refuse to follow a regimen with their child.

A good admin helps, but most try to smooth it over with the parents so the bullshit continue s.

My kids are (and were–one quit already) teachers. They had younger grades say grade 3-5 and kids are searching porn, telling them to go fuck themselves, stealing their belongings.

Their whole “teaching” time is managing classroom behaviours. Parents called in to talk about the kid, has had parents verbally abuse the teacher and being spit on by the dad. Police had to come.

Even at the grade 1-3 level they had parents sending chat messages the whole time to some kids…so obviously the kid won’t put their phone away when asked.

And then there are the entitled parents. One kid has challenges (parents claim autism, teachers just say its lack of any structure at home) so kid gets to free roam the class when overwhelmed, while everyone works. Parents then come in to complain that their child feels isolated when freeroaming the classroom and asked the teacher to allow free roam for all students so their kid doesn’t feel bad. Wtf.

Just a complete mess of disrespect and unwillingness to focus on working. Parents don’t reinforce work habits either. Its a bumpy ride

No, it’s because late stage capitalism requires prices to go up all the time, while salaries stagnate. People are spending way more of their income on housing these days, and even with two incomes they’re living paycheck to paycheck. Why would anyone need to be propagandized? It’s literally dual income or bust.

It’s complicated and whenever I post the reasons I get harassed for weeks, including mods and admins, but here goes:

We are in the middle of a men’s mental health crisis, it has been going on for more than twenty years now. The causes are multiple, economic uncertainty, lack of positive male role models, social media bringing lifestyle envy, governments and services constantly favoring women over men for funds and support despite those needs already being abundantly covered already, lack of social mobility, depression about the lack of future prospects

And add on top of this EVERY FUCKING TIME men call out for help in need, the entire world comes down on them and tells them ‘solve you’re own problems, you made patriarchy, you fix it yourself’ all the while women get RIDICULOUS amount of social support from homeless shelters, food pantries (the rules for mothers and fathers are usually different as they assume people claiming to be fathers are liars and need to prove, but women never lie and get all the support they ask for no questions)

Society has been geared to devalue men, and when men complain about it we are told ‘It’s your fault, fix it yourself’

It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

You get downvoted because your conclusion is “let’s blame it on women!”

If that’s what you took away then it’s true what they say that media literacy is dead.

Gamergate was the genesis of our current wave of violent incels, which was a reaction to some pretty fucking heavy handed takeover of traditionally male spaces with no attempt at coexistence by 3rd wave feminists feeling their oats

And they literally gave platform for Bannon’s goons to meme us into fascism. Tate, Rogan, both of those assholes and dozens more cater to the audience that gamergate gathered.

All of you dismiss it as just boys being angry on the internet till you remember just how many fucking right wing mass murders have happened in the last 10 years. That level of dismissal is EXACTLY why some boys are now believing rape is fine and justified. I want you to consider that level of degeneracy and the environment needed for it to fester.

For decades men have been told that all their problems are their own creation, and that they should go about solving it themselves. This puts progressive men in the shitiest place possible because they are the ones with the least power in today’s society. They sure as fuck aren’t getting support from non-progressives, AND getting mocked in their own spaces. And don’t you fucking say it’s just reddit there’s tons of examples every day on lemmy

YES the ridiculous and deliberately antagonistic antics of 3rd wave feminism from 2007-2012 DEFINITELY gave the alt-right a platform by dignifying their movement and giving them tons of press and legitimacy instead of having the fucks arrested like they should have been in the first place .BUUUUUT NOOOO every motherfucking ‘feminist’ vlogger had to absolutely INUNDATE youtube with how terrible it was that boy liked boobs in games and how they should feel bad about it and maybe we should start charging people with felonies for killing video game characters (YES THESE WERE ALL TOPICS LEGITIMATELY DISCUST IN THE TUBESPHERE) and of course that caused a lot of puberty driven little bois to SUDDENLY RALLY behind this movement to stop removing boobies from games

And then at the same time the Georgia fucking radfemme commitee decided to put forward a bill making masturbation legally equivalent to a back alley abortion and everybody talked about it like it was some gocha for 3 fucking years till COVID shut everybody the fuck up

Yes I’m blaming 3rd wave feminists, but NOT exclusively. I also blame pubescent teen boys and their inattentive parents, I blame right wing propaganda shops for meming Bannon into relevancy, I blame billionaires for stealing everyone’s financial well-being, and I SURE AS FUCK blame ignorant idealists like you and nearly everyone else on lemmy for mistaking the caricature of the right wing gamer boy in your head for the real thing

Things are going to get a fucktonne worse than they are now, they barely even ramped up industrial murder yet but they will, and sooner than anyone guesses. And people like you are a part of the problem, and your deliberate ignorance of that doesn’t make your hands any less bloody

It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

You get downvoted because your conclusion is “let’s blame it on women!”

Dude you need to chill out, make friends with some women, and touch grass in the real world. You’re a left-wing incel basically, from what you’ve written, you just don’t realize it. Just unplug from the internet for a while and chill out. Whatever happens on the internet is usually not reflective of the real world, just keep that in mind.

Edit: I wrote exactly 12 words to you, and that makes you think I’m an “ignorant idealist” and have blood on my hands…?

I had known about those guys for a long time, but their thing is so goofy. I never expected it to be the meme ideology that takes off.

At this rate, conservatism in 20 or 30 years might just be about male supremacy.

And I think you have been overwhelmed by propaganda into thinking 2 incomes per household is normal

Two incomes per household has actually been normal for most people in most countries throughout history. The postwar nuclear family where only dad has paid work is a brief 40 year blip in western countries.

20 or 30? That’s the reality now. Did you hear about “your body my choice”?

Republicans are less educated in general than Democrats