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  • thefeaturecreature@lemmy.caT thefeaturecreature@lemmy.ca

    I remember reading a few articles detailing how a military incursion into Canada would likely go.

    tl;dr is that Canada’s military would likely surrender immediately and then go underground to assist in resistance efforts. The Canada/US border is one of the longest unprotected land borders in the world and many cities along the border are right beside each other. The US would take immediate soft control but would be fighting fierce resistance coast-to-coast for decades that would frequently spill across the border and result in attacks on their own cities and facilities. Not to mention an assault on Canada is very unpopular with US citizens and troops and all of the states that border Canada will refuse to turn into battlegrounds. A lot of US citizens have family and friends in Canada and the militaries of the 2 countries have close bonds from working together for generations. If any countries came to Canada’s aid with their own military force then it would get even uglier.

    The immense economic strain of holding Canada against the resistance coupled with the internal unrest and inevitable worldwide sanctions placed on the US would cause complete economic collapse and eventual civil conflict. The USA, as the singular entity we know of today, would be destroyed.

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    masterofn001
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    First we blow up the bridges.

    There’s a large concentration of US military bases in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York.

    There’s no access via land to the 75% of the Canadian population that live in Ontario and Quebec.

    Then we mine the St. Laurence, and narrow waterways near Sault St. Marie and the northern coast of lake superior, the Detroit river and its connection to lake erie.

    Then we round up all the separatists and McMAGA’s.

    Then we give everyone guns.

    Then we take Alaska.

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      octopus_ink@slrpnk.net
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      100% this man is not leaving office except in cuffs or a body bag. That is my prediction. The sooner the rest of my countrymen start taking this bit seriously the better. Keep sending those cheeseburgers to the white house folks.

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      • thefeaturecreature@lemmy.caT thefeaturecreature@lemmy.ca

        I remember reading a few articles detailing how a military incursion into Canada would likely go.

        tl;dr is that Canada’s military would likely surrender immediately and then go underground to assist in resistance efforts. The Canada/US border is one of the longest unprotected land borders in the world and many cities along the border are right beside each other. The US would take immediate soft control but would be fighting fierce resistance coast-to-coast for decades that would frequently spill across the border and result in attacks on their own cities and facilities. Not to mention an assault on Canada is very unpopular with US citizens and troops and all of the states that border Canada will refuse to turn into battlegrounds. A lot of US citizens have family and friends in Canada and the militaries of the 2 countries have close bonds from working together for generations. If any countries came to Canada’s aid with their own military force then it would get even uglier.

        The immense economic strain of holding Canada against the resistance coupled with the internal unrest and inevitable worldwide sanctions placed on the US would cause complete economic collapse and eventual civil conflict. The USA, as the singular entity we know of today, would be destroyed.

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        sbv@sh.itjust.works
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        an assault on Canada is very unpopular with US citizens and troops and all of the states that border Canada will refuse to turn into battlegrounds

        That puts a lot of faith in the US population to (a) care, and (b) act on it.

        I suspect any invasion would be structured as a rescue of some victimized population (Albertan separatists? Teens receiving gender affirming care? Anglos in Quebec?), and would yoink something of value (water? oil?) so it wouldn’t be a broad based invasion.

        If any countries came to Canada’s aid with their own military force then it would get even uglier.

        The US remains the world’s largest economy and biggest military spender.

        I’m sure there would be a strongly worded proclamation from the UN General Assembly, and NATO would perform some mental gymnastics to avoid article 5.

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        • A arankays@lemmy.ca

          That is untrue.

          Literally every enemy of the US would immediately send us aid alongside all of Europe.

          Only India, Israel, and Russia would back the US in a war with Canada.

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          sbv@sh.itjust.works
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          They weren’t exactly harsh in their criticism of Trump’s original threats:

          there has been no direct public condemnation by allied leaders and it seems — in the face of Trump — we find ourselves alone.

          …

          Beyond the keep calm and carry on approach of NATO allies, there has been a deafening silence from the Commonwealth, in particular the United Kingdom, a country with which we share deep historical, social and institutional ties.

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            an assault on Canada is very unpopular with US citizens and troops and all of the states that border Canada will refuse to turn into battlegrounds

            That puts a lot of faith in the US population to (a) care, and (b) act on it.

            I suspect any invasion would be structured as a rescue of some victimized population (Albertan separatists? Teens receiving gender affirming care? Anglos in Quebec?), and would yoink something of value (water? oil?) so it wouldn’t be a broad based invasion.

            If any countries came to Canada’s aid with their own military force then it would get even uglier.

            The US remains the world’s largest economy and biggest military spender.

            I’m sure there would be a strongly worded proclamation from the UN General Assembly, and NATO would perform some mental gymnastics to avoid article 5.

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            thefeaturecreature@lemmy.ca
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            That puts a lot of faith in the US population to (a) care, and (b) act on it.

            Because, as of the time of writing this, the average US citizen hasn’t had their way of life impacted enough yet. Despite Trump taking a gigantic shit on the US, most people in the country are still living life relatively unimpeded at the moment.

            That is not going to be the case if the US has an active conflict on its own soil. They will be forced to care when drone strikes and resistance attacks start occurring in their cities and towns, when martial law is declared, when food and material shortages begin, and so on. Right now one of the biggest things the US population has to worry about are tariffs. If war is declared on Canada then they will have to worry about tariffs, sanctions, and the loss of one of their largest agricultural and energy suppliers. The US gets nearly all of its potash from Canada.

            On top of all that, the instability and distraction in the US would almost certainly embolden other groups that see opportunity, such as the Mexican cartels and the Chinese government. Like words cannot even begin to describe how much of a fustercluck it would be.

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            • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

              As a Canadian, be careful what you wish for. Russia thought they could take over Ukraine in a 3 day special miliitary operation and 3 years later their military and economy is in ruins. Then look back at how Russia’s invasion of Finland went. Simo Hayha sends his regards.

              It doesn’t matter how “elite” your military equipment is or how many billion dollars it is worth, a war is fought by boots on the ground and the geography favours the defender. If you thought fighting arab insurgency in the desert or asian insurgency in the jungle was difficult, consider how difficult it’s going to be fighting against an insurgency that fluently speaks your language and looks indistinguishable to you in the great white north. Trump should stick to golf.

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              Karyoplasma
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              It doesn’t matter how “elite” your military equipment is or how many billion dollars it is worth, a war is fought by boots on the ground and the geography favours the defender.

              It’s not about achieving anything, it’s about staying in power. Who cares if millions die if some pedophile gets what he wants?

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              • xxce2aab@feddit.dkX xxce2aab@feddit.dk

                In reality it’s more like:

                Ukraine: “Elections are impossible in the middle of our country being invaded and a good third of it being in enemy hands.”

                US: “Imma invade you, bitch. Then Greenland is next. Or Mexico, I don’t fucking know.”

                Everybody else: “No, America, sweetie…”

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                someguy3@lemmy.world
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                I think it’s in the Ukrainian constitution. It wasn’t something they just did recently.

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                  Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!

                  Release the Trump/Epstein files

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                    gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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                    Wait until the US economy is a massive dumpster fire and unemployment sky rockets. At that point the Government of Putin will release a lie and start a fucking war. Iran is on the menu, because the aerial campaign simply delayed their nuclear ambitions.

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                    • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

                      As a Canadian, be careful what you wish for. Russia thought they could take over Ukraine in a 3 day special miliitary operation and 3 years later their military and economy is in ruins. Then look back at how Russia’s invasion of Finland went. Simo Hayha sends his regards.

                      It doesn’t matter how “elite” your military equipment is or how many billion dollars it is worth, a war is fought by boots on the ground and the geography favours the defender. If you thought fighting arab insurgency in the desert or asian insurgency in the jungle was difficult, consider how difficult it’s going to be fighting against an insurgency that fluently speaks your language and looks indistinguishable to you in the great white north. Trump should stick to golf.

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                      ikidd@lemmy.world
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                      There are some pretty specific parts of the GENEVA conventions that are there because Canadians aren’t fucking around when its go time.

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                        dance_ninja@lemmy.world
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                        Fun fact: The US had a presidential election during WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_presidential_election

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                        • S someguy3@lemmy.world

                          I think it’s in the Ukrainian constitution. It wasn’t something they just did recently.

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                          captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                          That makes sense. And the difference is the American constitution says the opposite (or more accurately, doesn’t have any exceptions). We’ve had elections during every war and conflict that coincided with an election. Lincoln was reelected during the Civil war.

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                          • cecilkorik@lemmy.caC cecilkorik@lemmy.ca

                            As a Canadian, be careful what you wish for. Russia thought they could take over Ukraine in a 3 day special miliitary operation and 3 years later their military and economy is in ruins. Then look back at how Russia’s invasion of Finland went. Simo Hayha sends his regards.

                            It doesn’t matter how “elite” your military equipment is or how many billion dollars it is worth, a war is fought by boots on the ground and the geography favours the defender. If you thought fighting arab insurgency in the desert or asian insurgency in the jungle was difficult, consider how difficult it’s going to be fighting against an insurgency that fluently speaks your language and looks indistinguishable to you in the great white north. Trump should stick to golf.

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                            captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                            Additionally, in a war with canada internal cooperation would be very weak. A lot of us are pissed at how he’s treating y’all. The home front of a war with canada would likely resemble it during the Vietnam war. I can see him being dumb enough to push through a draft, and I suspect even he can’t keep his grip on power during a draft against our favorite foreign country (sorry aussies and brits).

                            My actual suspicion is that he’d attack Mexico. There are a lot of white Mexicans who speak English, but nothing compared to Canadians. We’ve already got a lot of Americans who hate Mexico and think it’s a crime ridden hellhole run by the cartels. We’re really war weary from all the fights we spent the first 20 years of the century picking, so even that is a balancing act for him.

                            Also y’all’re in nato while Mexico has chosen to hold no military alliances.

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                            • thefeaturecreature@lemmy.caT thefeaturecreature@lemmy.ca

                              I remember reading a few articles detailing how a military incursion into Canada would likely go.

                              tl;dr is that Canada’s military would likely surrender immediately and then go underground to assist in resistance efforts. The Canada/US border is one of the longest unprotected land borders in the world and many cities along the border are right beside each other. The US would take immediate soft control but would be fighting fierce resistance coast-to-coast for decades that would frequently spill across the border and result in attacks on their own cities and facilities. Not to mention an assault on Canada is very unpopular with US citizens and troops and all of the states that border Canada will refuse to turn into battlegrounds. A lot of US citizens have family and friends in Canada and the militaries of the 2 countries have close bonds from working together for generations. If any countries came to Canada’s aid with their own military force then it would get even uglier.

                              The immense economic strain of holding Canada against the resistance coupled with the internal unrest and inevitable worldwide sanctions placed on the US would cause complete economic collapse and eventual civil conflict. The USA, as the singular entity we know of today, would be destroyed.

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                              captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                              Yeah you think we have a domestic terrorism problem now, invade canada and a lot of people will be committing suicide by bomb

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                                thedruid
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                                Can we use mere tank and trump? Let’s be accurate

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                                  Fun fact: The US had a presidential election during WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_presidential_election

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                                  eddowagt@feddit.nl
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                                  Well waging war on another continent is quite different than being invaded

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                                    Lemminary
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                                    Alternatively…

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                                    • O octopus_ink@slrpnk.net

                                      100% this man is not leaving office except in cuffs or a body bag. That is my prediction. The sooner the rest of my countrymen start taking this bit seriously the better. Keep sending those cheeseburgers to the white house folks.

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                                      kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                                      this man is not leaving office except in cuffs or a body bag.

                                      Soon, please.

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                                        If we invaded Canada I would defect immediately

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                                        kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                                        If we invaded Canada I would defect immediately

                                        I appreciate the sentiment, but I also hope you are as steadfast in your actions to prevent such an invasion in the first place.

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                                        • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                          If we invaded Canada I would defect immediately

                                          I appreciate the sentiment, but I also hope you are as steadfast in your actions to prevent such an invasion in the first place.

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                                          chronographs@lemmy.zip
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                                          Not much I can do to control what our demented pumpkin decides to do

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