Crown corporations hold monopolies in Canada all the time. Canada Post is only losing money, because it’s only delivering mail. Instead of that service including packages, the Canadian government allowed them to outsource those services to private contractors. That’s when they started losing money. Privatization is how all good services eventually die. They need to take that back, and start providing more than just mail delivery, if they’re going to stay solvent.

Expanding Canada Post has been a disaster every time it’s been tried. They are always too slow to respond, and it’s always been just an endless suck of funds. I’m thinking about their stores concepts, the Facebook wanna be marketplace. There’s been a lot of turds over the years. Big old confused and bloated crown corp, like we’ve all seen this one.

Is it mismanaged, for sure it has been. I agree on the precipice that privatization usually sucks, that’s not what I’m really arguing for. But when we say if they are going to be solvent, they need to do more than mail delivery, like right there that’s the gist. Mail delivery isn’t ever going to be a solvent endeavor. So now the question is, OK so where’s the fine line here then, like what’s enough and how much are we willing to burn, what’s not enough and what is too much cash spent? Canada Postal Workers Union though, just drew a line in the sand so hard that I’m not sure how they envision coming out of this one on top, like the institution is belly up for all intents and purposes. On the flip side, the executives obviously fucked this one up pretty hard too.

I dunno, it’s a real son of a situation, that’s for sure. One that isn’t likely going to end well for either side, no matter what falls out here.

I don’t want to use anything else but a government service to deliver passports and bank cards.

Why should Canada Post be “solvent”? It’s mandated to serve every Canadian address. Have you considered what that means? It means it has to send mail to the furthest reaches of Grise Fiord (look for it on Google Maps). A business would never deliver there, and they don’t because it’s not profitable. A non-discriminatory mail service is not a profit business, it’s a public service of the government. Firehalls ans library systems have budgets, but no one expects them to be solvent because they’re services supported by public funds (taxes), not businesses.

Make Canada post a military division? Heh

Not only that but all the big businesses are willing to run operations at a loss when it is expedient to their goals.

Are you an idiot? Canada has no unlimited money . Canada will keep increasing the military defense while reducing the quality of all the services

In Ontario we’ve had a proliferation of for profit career colleges. The student visa is used to get into Canada, granted by one of the for profit degree mills. But in reality they are schemes by people looking to work in Canada, that couldn’t get a proper work visa.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/20000-indian-students-didnt-show-in-class-after-arriving-in-canada-what-happened-to-them

…or at the very minimum crack down on the ‘independent contractor’ nonsense. Make Amazon pay for UI, vacation, healthcare, car insurance, for all its delivery drivers. Our politicians allow too many scams, and it hurts everyone.

…you can’t compete with Amazon using ‘independent contractors’ that drive their own cars, work until 10pm, 7 days a week, with no benefits.

Federal government is spending 13 billion on a VW battery plant in St Thomas, Ontario

That’s 13 billion dollars / 41.million Canadians = $317 per Canadian

This is projected to employ 3000 people. Canada Post employs 62,300 people.

Canada post employs 21 X as many people as the VW plant hopes too.

CP could lose 1 billion a year for 273 years before it would cost the Canadian tax payer as much per job as the VW plant workers do. And that is if the VW plant stays on target and doesn’t end up like North Volt

I don’t know what the path forward for Canada Post is but the government narrative is whack. If the government is trying to save money why are they spending so much for 3000 jobs and celebrating that as a huge win?

It seems like they don’t value workers or Canadians just corporate profits at the Canadian tax payers expense.

We should expect more from our government.

Will banning amazon improve post canada services?

Here’s the thing, right now for my 2-3 days of mail delivery per week, the postal service employee walks by my house every day.
The flyers that get dropped off on non mail days could just as easily be dropped off on the other 2-3 days instead.
This means that effectively for every piece of mail delivered to my house the 40-60% of the ‘last mile’ part of the postage costs are wasted on extra unneeded trips to/past my door.
For normal mail delivery we already have 5-10 day delivery timeframes. Anyone who accepts that variability doesn’t need daily delivery, and those that do need that clockwork delivery are using services like UPS or FedEx.

Making Amazon pay its workers would greatly level the playing field so Canada Post can compete again.

They don’t need to turn a profit but the costs need to be financially sustainable. I don’t think banning competition is a good move, that’s unnecessary. The question should be posed to Canadians at large: what is CP’s services worth to us, as a nation? Lemmy’s views will certainly be skewed but we need an honest holistic view. Based on godoflies@lemmy.ca calculation in this thread I’m cool with the $50 a year ‘fee’, but that will certainly grow with their losses and they do need capital investment to improve/modernize aspects of the service.

I disagree they need to compete at all. They provide essential services that aren’t replaceable by private services.

The government is trying to make the service worse for people by seeking profitability of the service over it’s quality

Support to these workers striking - Mark Carney promised he wouldn’t do austerity like Pollievre and hes blatantly breaking that promise with funding cuts for Canada Post. If there’s a crisis at Canada Post its because they need to be funded, not have working hours cut in the name of austerity.

“The bottom line is this: Canada Post is effectively insolvent,” Lightbound said earlier Thursday.

“It provides an essential service to Canadians, and in particular to rural, remote and Indigenous communities, and Canadians are rightfully attached to it and want it saved. However, repeated bailouts from the federal government are not the solution.”

FFS it’s a service not a business; profit is not the goal. Paying bills for services isn’t ‘bailing out’ your service provider, it’s paying for what you’ve used.

Mail transit is essential for a modern civilization, and it’s not something that should be privately controlled. Having private options is fine, but there should ALWAYS be a federal mail service.

You don’t have to spin it as a business to say that evolving it to reflect reality makes sense. It is not exactly radical to say everybody should get the same level of service that the majority of us get today.

Fewer than 25% of Canadians have door to door delivery. Almost everybody gets delivery to a private mailbox very close to their house. Door to door delivery is down to under 4 million addresses. This is a 10 year plan to finish that transition. Not exactly aggressive.

You can still get delivery to your door if you are disabled.

Regardless of if it is a a business or an essential service, we should be honest about it. We used to send 5 times as much mail when we were fewer people. Why do we have to ignore that?

If 75% of us (like me) are totally fine with super mailboxes, I think the rest can handle it. I know that I could get away with delivery 3 times a week as well. In 2030, how time sensitive is something coming through regular mail. Let’s be real. I could wait one more day.