You know exactly what he’s done. Recognizing a Palestinian state won’t stop the war but it’s an important step.

There is nothing else Canada can do anyways. Do you want us to get into hot war with Israel and subsequently the US? I don’t. And we have no other leverage.

While I wish Carney was more openly ‘elbows up’ I acknowledge there’s a tonne at that level of government I don’t really know about. I’d say at this point, yeah, I’m disappointed in Carney, but for now I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. From day one his path was to pull away from the strongest ally Canada has ever had and an ally we were near-totally tied to. It takes time to find alternate deals and countries to replace those broken agreements. Cutting ties instantly would have led to the greatest recession Canada has ever seen and may well have destroyed the country. Honestly, if he announces some major shifts to other countries within his first year I’d expect that to be a pretty significant success.

Just like how Trump’s policies have taken 6 to 8 months to start showing results in the US, moving away from a country we were so closely tied to will not only take a long time to do, but seeing the results will take longer beyond that. Carney’s only been PM for 8 months and is arguably facing the greatest challenge any PM has had to face in decades. I’ve tempered my expectations and am waiting to see how the next few months play out. My hope is that he’s just stringing Trump along until we get our shit sorted, like setting up a new job and place to live before leaving an abusive relationship.

Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general. The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected. China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

Plenty of reasons to be pissed off with the Liberals, but those aren’t some of them.

Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general

No they aren’t, blanket tariffs the way Trump is doing it is stupid, but counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected

This is also wrong… the Digital Services tax was introduced as a Liberal priority all the way back in 2020 and passed in 2024. It probably would have been repealed by Pollievre if he won, but Liberals repealing their own years-in-the-making policy, a day before going into effect as an act of appeasement to Donald Trump was definitely not inevitable.

China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

Their tariffs on us are counter-tariffs in response to us imposing a 100% tax on Chinese-made solar panels.

counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

Well, you and I and most economists will have to disagree about how tariffs “work”. The local industries they were supposedly protecting either don’t exist or actively dislike tariffs that are supposed to help them. Because a falling tide sinks all boats. Tariffs are inflationary, end of message.

Repealing or delaying the DST was part of the OECD treaty obligations that most of the other countries involved had been doing since it was set up in 2021 with the revamping of the multinational tax treaties. Maybe Trump’s bullshit was the nail in the coffin, but it sure wasn’t the first and they just followed the other 140 countries involved that shut that down last year if they even still had them.

And solar panels have had the 165% tariff (not 100%) from China on them since sometime in the mid teens (https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/sima-lmsi/mif-mev/sml-eng.html) and we see the incredible effect that has had on the growth of our burgeoning home-grown solar panels industry in Canada, have we not? Because tariffs work, amirite? I hate this tariff with a passion because I’m entirely offgrid and have tried to jump through all the hoops to get my panels at the prices I see on Alibaba, but they aren’t going anywhere because China subsidizes their panels so heavily.

Canadian imports and exports are an absolutely massive ship to change course -especially when a lot of private contracts are years into the future. That said, we are already trading a lot more with pretty much everyone except the US.

How Canada’s imports and exports have changed since Trump | CBC News

CBC News tracks how trade between Canada and other countries has changed since Donald Trump came back to power.

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Is that what the poster said? This isn’t America, we have 3rd and even 4th and 5th parties to choose from. There’s no reason to vote for the zionist if you want a principled anti-Zionist party like the NDP.

You know exactly what he’s done. Recognizing a Palestinian state won’t stop the war but it’s an important step.

There is nothing else Canada can do anyways. Do you want us to get into hot war with Israel and subsequently the US? I don’t. And we have no other leverage.

As opposed to a Nazi simp who would have sold us straight into the gas chambers of America? Right call. Every time.

Also so far Carney has been harder on Israel than any Canadian prime minister to date. So get out of here will your bullshit propaganda calling him a Zionist. Go back to the US.

He defines it right here and it’s not your little fantasy definition: https://youtube.com/shorts/Sjg8r43vPMc

I think we need an actual left-of-centre party. The NDP is just a right-of-centre party who support some minor social programs as long as they don’t interfere too much with extracting money via capitalism. I’m not looking for a socially progressive right-of-centre party. I want to see an actual left-of-centre party. A party that would nationalise our resources and use the proceeds to fund centralised housing, healthcare, education, parks and recreation spaces, infrastructure, and other things that people need and enjoy. A party that wants to improve labour standards and invest in ourselves, and move away from US style capitalism. It can be done.

Liberals got elected on a platform of divorcing the Canadian economy from the Americans and rejuvenating the Canadian economy through nation-building megaprojects from coast to coast built with Canadian natural resources. What do we have so far?

• No announcements on any megaprojects

• No homes built, instead just a big tax giveaway to developers

• all counter-tariffs on the US dropped to appease trump

• digital services tax repealed to appease trump

• despite appeasement, no end in sight to US trade war

• Also started a trade war with China for no reason, so we’re getting spitroasted by tariffs from both superpowers

• austerity programs at Canada Post leading to the 2nd strike in a year

Unfortunately I don’t think the NDP or BQ have the balls to topple the government this early, but Carney came into office looking like a MVP and he’s a big fat bust.

NDP is not a right wing party

I didn’t say they are a right wing party… I said that they are drifting right of centre and not really a left-of-centre party any more. They have a socially conscious platform, and in my opinion are the best of the bunch. But economically, they aren’t really a left-of-centre party. They still subscribe to a generally free market and even in their 2025 platform, while they commit money to a national housing strategy, they still aren’t trying to centralise housing and omit the private developers entirely. They still want to try and legislate private industry in a free market rather than centralise. What I would like to see is an ACTUAL left leaning party, where the government controls the means of supply for our basic needs and critical industries. The government should be directly employing crews to build a variety of housing options. Not just banning REITs and hedgefunds from purchasing affordable housing, but also eliminating the private landlords and having strict standards for property management. The government should be in control of our oil and minerals. The government should control our ferries,mail service, and other services and operate them like the services they are and not corporations, or crown corporations. While I think the NDP is the best we have, I also feel like they have drifted more to the centre and even passing over it during the past 30 years, and I think there is room for a proper left-of-centre party that is more than just words and bandaids and actually has a desire to overhaul our economy to be able to support the social programs that don’t really work when everything is trying to operate as a business, crown corp or not. Nationalise our resources and actually get some income for the government that isn’t just taxes, and invest it into our country, services, and infrastructure.

True, it’s like a hostage situation. Conservatives threaten to harm trans kids, or immigrants or whatever, and Liberals say “you’ll have the vote for us if you want $(minority group) to live, but don’t worry, you can vote your conscience next election”, then never do anything to actually protect those minority groups in law, so the cycle repeats next election.

Liberals will never give real protection to vulnerable people because they want them to be constantly under threat of the Conservatives to keep the left from voting for the actual left-wing parties that WOULD give those groups protection that isn’t subject to the whims of whatever party is in charge. Diabolical.

I mean lets face it the only reason Carney won was because of what Trump said. that’s it. We Canadians are honestly pretty dumb when it comes to politics and we sure do love our sound bites. Remember PP had this thing in the bag until Trump opened his mouth and then suddenly we all said “oh yeah…yeah we don’t want that lets vote for the guy that kinda isn’t that” while the NDP “here’s Singh, sure he doesn’t have a single original thought in his head but…yeah it’s the best we can do”

Like our choices were unoriginal man, nazi man, or none of the above man.

This is the reverse mentality of alt-right ideology. Their general opinion is that anything left of them is left-wing while you seem to think that anything right of central planning and government-controlled industries is right-wing. Maybe you don’t like how the words are used, but trying to convey your ideas to people by using language in a way no one else does isn’t going to work.

Not at all. I’m saying there’s a spectrum between a full centrally planned left wing wing government, and a full free market right wing government, and the Canadian political parties generally fall somewhere towards the centre of that spectrum, and that over the past 30 years the NDP along with the Liberals and Conservatives have shifted towards the right. In the case of the NDP, I think that while they have been a centre-left party, some of the concessions they have made with Singh have pushed NDP economic policy to the centre of that spectrum, and possibly crossing over the centre-line. Maybe they aren’t quite at that point, but if they continue on that trend, I think it would be good to have another party further to the left. NOT communism. NOT authoritarian. Democratic, but willing to use more government intervention rather than keep looking at only free market solutions, tax cuts, and bailouts. The NDP just isn’t quite left enough, in my opinion.

That’s hardly a comparable to alt-right shit. Oh, the horror of Canada profiting off of it’s resources in order to run BC Ferries and Canada Post (and all the other services that never make the news) like services instead of companies and have well funded health and education systems. The NDP needs to stop selling out (and admitting defeat before the election has happened) or we need an actual centre-left option. Seems like a pretty valid opinion! Not everything has to be black and white, fully right or left with no in-between, or ability for political parties to shift over time.