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    mediocre_bard@lemmy.world
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    Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

    Egregious.

    I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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    • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

      Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

      Egregious.

      I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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      gezero@sopuli.xyz
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      There goes verisimilitude…

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      • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

        Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

        Egregious.

        I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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        yesman@lemmy.world
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        When I started playing D&D, the media inaccuracies were not about wizard classes but Satan worship. We’ve come a long way baby.

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        • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

          Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

          Egregious.

          I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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          bonenode
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          • Y yesman@lemmy.world

            When I started playing D&D, the media inaccuracies were not about wizard classes but Satan worship. We’ve come a long way baby.

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            Stern
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            #5

            Remember the Chick tract? Damn I’m old.

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            • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

              Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

              Egregious.

              I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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              underpantsweevil@lemmy.world
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              #6

              So, there’s technically a precedent for this, as Sorceror was the level title for a 9th level magic user back in the 1e extended ruleset.

              Level Title

              For example, a first-level magic-user is known as a Medium. At each subsequent level they become known as a Seer, Conjurer, Theurgist, Thaumaturgist, Magician, Enchanter, Warlock, Sorcerer, Necromancer, and, at 11th level, a Wizard. Thereafter they are simply known as a 12th-level Wizard, 13th level Wizard, and so on.

              Sorceror, Wizard, and Magic User were also used interchangeably in the early D&D inspired stories and inspiring source material. As another example, Conan and the Sorcerer would be contemporary to the setting and would describe a spellcaster as such.

              I think the name might have just sounded better as an episode title than Wizard (which implies old guy with beard) or Magic User (generic and clunky). But for the old heads who actually played the game across multiple editions, I get it rubbing the wrong way.

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              • SternS Stern

                Remember the Chick tract? Damn I’m old.

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                andyburke
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                tracts.

                that man tracted for sure.

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                • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

                  Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

                  Egregious.

                  I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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                  plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works
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                  Doesn’t the show have major time gaps? Of the first season was 89 and the latest season was 10 years later? Thats basically 2000 with margin of error.

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                    Stern
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                    Did he have more then one D&D one? I know he covered a variety of topics, I just think D&D only got the one. Maybe I’m wrong though, it has been a while.

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                    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                      So, there’s technically a precedent for this, as Sorceror was the level title for a 9th level magic user back in the 1e extended ruleset.

                      Level Title

                      For example, a first-level magic-user is known as a Medium. At each subsequent level they become known as a Seer, Conjurer, Theurgist, Thaumaturgist, Magician, Enchanter, Warlock, Sorcerer, Necromancer, and, at 11th level, a Wizard. Thereafter they are simply known as a 12th-level Wizard, 13th level Wizard, and so on.

                      Sorceror, Wizard, and Magic User were also used interchangeably in the early D&D inspired stories and inspiring source material. As another example, Conan and the Sorcerer would be contemporary to the setting and would describe a spellcaster as such.

                      I think the name might have just sounded better as an episode title than Wizard (which implies old guy with beard) or Magic User (generic and clunky). But for the old heads who actually played the game across multiple editions, I get it rubbing the wrong way.

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                      sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                      The characters make a distinction between innate and learned ability. Your take is generous, but OP is right.

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                      • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

                        Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

                        Egregious.

                        I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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                        sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                        They also use one of Moby’s tracks in the latest episode. Which totally broke immersion.

                        (99% joking)

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                        • SternS Stern

                          Remember the Chick tract? Damn I’m old.

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                          JaymesRS
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                          Did you watch the movie they based on it?

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                          • SternS Stern

                            Did he have more then one D&D one? I know he covered a variety of topics, I just think D&D only got the one. Maybe I’m wrong though, it has been a while.

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                            redhorsejacket@lemmy.world
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                            Oh buddy. You’re one of today’s (un)lucky 10,000.

                            Content warning: child abuse. This is Lisa, one of the most abhorrent, warped, and borderline psychotic examples of fundamentalist evangelism I’ve ever come across. All of Chick’s work is to greater or lesser degrees reprehensible, but at least when the subject matter is a gross misrepresentation of something like DnD, there is comedy to be mined. Not so, here.

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                            • P plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works

                              Doesn’t the show have major time gaps? Of the first season was 89 and the latest season was 10 years later? Thats basically 2000 with margin of error.

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                              VindictiveJudge
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                              Despite how long the show takes to make and how old the actors playing the kids are now, no. Each season is set during the year after the previous season. Season 5 is supposed to be 1987.

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                              • M mediocre_bard@lemmy.world

                                Stranger Things 5 has offended me by referencing the sorcerer class, introduced in the 3rd edition of D&D in the year 2000, while the characters would have been playing either 1st or 2nd edition in the 1980s. Having them split hairs that Will is not a wizard but more of a sorcerer feels lazy and is a further indicator that the 1980s aesthetic and the overall quality of the writing have fallen off.

                                Egregious.

                                I also don’t have actual problems right now, so I guess this is what I’m doing. So, you know, bear that in mind.

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                                nocturne
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                                Plot twist: Will ends up working for TSR/WotC and is on the team working on 3rd, and he heads the team in charge of creating a new class. He draws inspiration from a home brew character he played in the 80s.

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                                • SternS Stern

                                  Remember the Chick tract? Damn I’m old.

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                                  plateee
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                                  Well, if you wanted a refresher: https://archive.is/kMBXe

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                                  • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                    They also use one of Moby’s tracks in the latest episode. Which totally broke immersion.

                                    (99% joking)

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                                    no_ones_slick_like_gaston@lemmy.world
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                                    Though about this, the records they reference and the whole aestetics are from the same time, Moby was a time jump, maybe foreshadowing.

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                                    • nocturneN nocturne

                                      Plot twist: Will ends up working for TSR/WotC and is on the team working on 3rd, and he heads the team in charge of creating a new class. He draws inspiration from a home brew character he played in the 80s.

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                                      sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Kinda has me wondering how Netflix is going to milk the IP once the series ends. It feels like they’ve left a few possibilities so far, but those could be wrapped up with the last episode.

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                                      • P plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works

                                        Doesn’t the show have major time gaps? Of the first season was 89 and the latest season was 10 years later? Thats basically 2000 with margin of error.

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                                        mediocre_bard@lemmy.world
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                                        The series covers 1983 - 1987.

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                                        • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU underpantsweevil@lemmy.world

                                          So, there’s technically a precedent for this, as Sorceror was the level title for a 9th level magic user back in the 1e extended ruleset.

                                          Level Title

                                          For example, a first-level magic-user is known as a Medium. At each subsequent level they become known as a Seer, Conjurer, Theurgist, Thaumaturgist, Magician, Enchanter, Warlock, Sorcerer, Necromancer, and, at 11th level, a Wizard. Thereafter they are simply known as a 12th-level Wizard, 13th level Wizard, and so on.

                                          Sorceror, Wizard, and Magic User were also used interchangeably in the early D&D inspired stories and inspiring source material. As another example, Conan and the Sorcerer would be contemporary to the setting and would describe a spellcaster as such.

                                          I think the name might have just sounded better as an episode title than Wizard (which implies old guy with beard) or Magic User (generic and clunky). But for the old heads who actually played the game across multiple editions, I get it rubbing the wrong way.

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                                          mediocre_bard@lemmy.world
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                                          This is a fair point. I’m going to assume that the writers have this level of knowledge. Thank you, I may finally rest.

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