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Canada must stand up to Donald Trump — or there will be no one to stand up for Canada | The Star (Opinion)

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    Canada must stand up to Donald Trump — or there will be no one to stand up for Canada

    Does Canada have a red line for Donald Trump's behaviour? If so, what does Trump have to do for the Canadian government to find its spine, let alone its elbows?

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      Canada must stand up to Donald Trump — or there will be no one to stand up for Canada

      Does Canada have a red line for Donald Trump's behaviour? If so, what does Trump have to do for the Canadian government to find its spine, let alone its elbows?

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      Stand up to him because like all bullies he chickens out when he is confronted. Cowering is exactly what he wants.

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        Canada must stand up to Donald Trump — or there will be no one to stand up for Canada

        Does Canada have a red line for Donald Trump's behaviour? If so, what does Trump have to do for the Canadian government to find its spine, let alone its elbows?

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        Toronto Star (www.thestar.com)

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        Sounds awesome. What are we going to do when the Canadian state inevitably sides with capital, American or otherwise, and uses its resources to commit violence against us?

        Donald Trump is not the start or end of US imperialism, that is a system the Canadian state is not only complicit in, but dependent on.

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        • orioler25@lemmy.worldO orioler25@lemmy.world

          Sounds awesome. What are we going to do when the Canadian state inevitably sides with capital, American or otherwise, and uses its resources to commit violence against us?

          Donald Trump is not the start or end of US imperialism, that is a system the Canadian state is not only complicit in, but dependent on.

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          To be fair, Canada is trying it’s best to wriggle out from that “complicit” dependency. At least that is what the Canadian media is indicating.

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            Sounds awesome. What are we going to do when the Canadian state inevitably sides with capital, American or otherwise, and uses its resources to commit violence against us?

            Donald Trump is not the start or end of US imperialism, that is a system the Canadian state is not only complicit in, but dependent on.

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            All this “elbows out” bullshit is 100% keyboard warriors who are clueless about how intertwined the two economies are.
            Doug Ford can do the stupid stunts for Sun readers, but away from the cameras he has let US interests buy out a significant portion of the Ontario economy. We forget like goldfish in 2018 he was “MAGA” and “A Republican” in his own public words. So now his brand is “elbows out” and Ontario hick simps keep voting for him.

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              Stand up to him because like all bullies he chickens out when he is confronted. Cowering is exactly what he wants.

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              savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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              he chickens out when he is confronted.

              I guess you slept through the bombing, kidnap and invasion of Venzuela. He’s now declared himself President of Venezuela.

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                To be fair, Canada is trying it’s best to wriggle out from that “complicit” dependency. At least that is what the Canadian media is indicating.

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                No, it really isn’t. Canada is a neoliberal stronghold and exists more as an extractive enterprise than any discernable nation. Canadian settlers support Trump except when he is explicitly threatening them instead of implicitly. The reality is that Canada, as in settlers, is more culturally compatible with US fascism than it is challenging.

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                  All this “elbows out” bullshit is 100% keyboard warriors who are clueless about how intertwined the two economies are.
                  Doug Ford can do the stupid stunts for Sun readers, but away from the cameras he has let US interests buy out a significant portion of the Ontario economy. We forget like goldfish in 2018 he was “MAGA” and “A Republican” in his own public words. So now his brand is “elbows out” and Ontario hick simps keep voting for him.

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                  Wow, lotta liberal distortions here, but yes there’s a reason that those two rhetorical approaches work. Canadians are white supremacist and only turn on US imperialism when they can see it as a threat to their own white identity. Most are also politically illiterate to the point that the common interest of capital is effectively obscured by whatever superficial crisis there is about Canadian sovereignty.

                  Also, Ford does not win from votes, he wins from the voting system. Ontario Cons consistently win elections with a minority vote with low voter turnout. White suburbanites and rural voters correctly identify that their immediate material wealth is dependent on the maintenance of a hierarchal system, and they do not care about how short term that way of life is so long as they have it until they die. So, their votes are weighted highly because they are the most likely to support capital while urban voters are forced to fight Liberals and Cons to just get a welfare liberal NDP MPP.

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                    No, it really isn’t. Canada is a neoliberal stronghold and exists more as an extractive enterprise than any discernable nation. Canadian settlers support Trump except when he is explicitly threatening them instead of implicitly. The reality is that Canada, as in settlers, is more culturally compatible with US fascism than it is challenging.

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                    And I disagree with you. I think Canada leans more towards being a country than being a textbook slogan or a phrase, even though it soaks up a lot of american culture. Look beyond nationalism and towards capitalism (and human nature) for the real culprit. Hint: Human nature is global and greed is a big thing.

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                      And I disagree with you. I think Canada leans more towards being a country than being a textbook slogan or a phrase, even though it soaks up a lot of american culture. Look beyond nationalism and towards capitalism (and human nature) for the real culprit. Hint: Human nature is global and greed is a big thing.

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                      Conflating capitalism or nationalism with human nature is a typical display of internalization of naturalised settler-colonial rationalities. “Greed” is a conveniently vague explanation for someone who cannot or will not imagine a world without this system.

                      Canada is a settler colony. Its only purpose is to facilitate the extraction of resources within its borders to the greatest effect under capitalist imperatives of infinite growth and profit maximization. When I say it isn’t a nation, that isn’t because I think nationalism is any real way to imagine human organizing, I say it because Canadians cling to an idea of national identity to justify what is fundamentally a brutal, inhuman system.

                      Hint: If you want to know about a subject, go learn about it before you assume that you’ve been born with exceptional knowledge on it.

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