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    davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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    What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

    This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

    This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

    During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

    This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

    The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

    This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

    What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

    One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

    Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

    Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

    Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

    Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

    When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

    Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

    That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

    While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

    In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

    It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

    Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

    Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

    https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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    • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

      What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

      This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

      This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

      During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

      This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

      The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

      This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

      What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

      One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

      Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

      Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

      Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

      Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

      When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

      Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

      That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

      While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

      In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

      It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

      Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

      Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

      https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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      grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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      It’s real simple:

      Alberta: you mean there is valuable goo under my feet that can make me rich? Drill baby drill.

      Rest of Canada: there are hidden costs to fossil fuel.

      Alberta: Why can’t you leave me alone so I can make the money I deserve.

      Is there honestly anything more to conservative separatism? It all comes down to: if you left me alone, I can rightfully exploit what I have access to.

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        It’s real simple:

        Alberta: you mean there is valuable goo under my feet that can make me rich? Drill baby drill.

        Rest of Canada: there are hidden costs to fossil fuel.

        Alberta: Why can’t you leave me alone so I can make the money I deserve.

        Is there honestly anything more to conservative separatism? It all comes down to: if you left me alone, I can rightfully exploit what I have access to.

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        ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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        You can’t ignore the mass migration of high school dropouts to Alberta when discussing Albertan sovereignty

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        • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

          What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

          This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

          This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

          During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

          This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

          The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

          This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

          What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

          One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

          Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

          Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

          Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

          Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

          When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

          Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

          That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

          While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

          In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

          It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

          Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

          Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

          https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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          teppa
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          #4

          Doomberg suspects its a plan by America to push a pipeline through Quebec to reduce Europe’s dependence on Russian energy.

          So far everything he has predicted has been right, including this sovereignty crisis, so I’m going with that for now.

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          • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

            What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

            This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

            This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

            During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

            This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

            The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

            This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

            What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

            One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

            Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

            Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

            Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

            Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

            When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

            Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

            That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

            While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

            In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

            It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

            Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

            Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

            https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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            non_burglar@lemmy.world
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            This article is some top-shelf virtue signalling and cherry picking. I wonder about its funding, frankly.

            This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

            Alberta had a strong separatist sentiment for much longer than 2015. The fact that “wexit” came about does not make this linked to Justin Trudeau any more or less than previous Alberta movements from the 70s and 90s.

            One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

            Smith does no such “navigation”, she is very vocal about backing separatist movements. If this weren’t true, she’d not have allowed referendum ideas to gain momentum.

            When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

            This part is damning. Alberta has no leverage because that’s not how the federation of provinces works. Alberta doesn’t need only to negotiate with the federal government, but with several other provinces as well. Using the term “demands” in this context artificially creates an opposition that suggests Alberta has been “underfoot” of the federal government. Some disagreements might be perennial in this regard, but it definitely tries to cast Alberta’s “demands” as modest, instead of trying to force pipelines into other areas of Canada without consequence.

            It is telling that none of the “demands” include reinforcements for social programs like health and education.

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            • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

              What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

              This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

              This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

              During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

              This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

              The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

              This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

              What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

              One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

              Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

              Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

              Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

              Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

              When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

              Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

              That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

              While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

              In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

              It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

              Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

              Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

              https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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              skeptomatic@lemmy.ca
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              You know when Americans are dumb, and vote against their interest because they’re not smart enough to understand propaganda? Well these Canadian dipshits are actually dumber than that. Let that sink in.

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              • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

                What can you tell us about this Alberta separatist movement – where it comes from and how it compares to previous separatist movements?

                This current wave of separatist rhetoric and sentiment in Alberta is being inflamed to varying degrees by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, but it has deeper roots. While it draws on a long history that can be traced back to central tensions with Alberta’s entrance into Confederation in 1905, this particular period of separatist rhetoric began to emerge around 2015.

                This year marked both the election of Justin Trudeau and coincided with a period of significant economic decline in Alberta, particularly due to the drop in oil prices around 2016 and 2017.

                During that time, many in the province felt they were in crisis and lacked adequate representation in Ottawa. The mechanisms and institutions of Canadian governance that might have helped in such a moment didn’t seem to be available. Despite the local economic downturn, Canada’s system of equalization, for example, didn’t provide the support people expected.

                This discontent gave rise to broader dissatisfaction within Canadian politics.

                The “Wexit” movement (a western-Canadian riff on the successful “Brexit” movement in the UK) emerged in 2019. Then-premier Jason Kenney launched the Fair Deal Panel to examine how to improve Alberta’s lot in the federation. Fringe political parties like the Buffalo Party also emerged, giving voice to more discontented factions within Alberta politics.

                This current rhetoric is distinct from earlier political movements in Alberta, such as the “West Wants In” campaign, which focused more on institutional reform, like creating an elected Senate with equal provincial representation, and aimed to place specific policy agendas on the national stage.

                What do you think about how Alberta Premier Danielle Smith has dealt with this situation?

                One of the key dynamics shaping Premier Danielle Smith’s position is that she has to navigate is the presence of separatist ideas and goals within her own political party, while also trying to advance Alberta’s position in the federation.

                Not long ago, Alberta’s conservative movement was fractured. The emergence of the Wildrose Party in 2008, and led by Smith for a time, was more ideologically right-leaning, focused on an “Alberta first” agenda, and carried stronger separatist undertones. That party was also more rural in its orientation and political priorities.

                Although the Wildrose and Progressive Conservatives eventually merged to form the United Conservative Party, the ideological divisions at the core of a more fractured right party system haven’t fully disappeared. Those ideological cleavages still exist within the party.

                Smith is trying to engage with the separatist-leaning base of her support, acknowledging their concerns and creating space for their grievances to be heard, while also promoting the broader interests of the province and maintaining a united party front. Not all conservatives support separatist rhetoric, and balancing those competing interests remains a challenge.

                Is this a political bargaining tool or serious threat?

                When we think about the rhetoric and language of separatism, part of it seems to be about creating leverage within the federal system and putting pressure on the federal government to meet Alberta’s demands.

                Looking at the original report from the Fair Deal Panel, one of the first pages includes a series of quotes from Albertans, gathered through surveys and community forums. One quote stands out: “If we are not willing to separate, then we give up bargaining strength”

                That sentiment captures a key part of the strategy: using the threat of separation as a bargaining chip.

                While separation seems to be the goal for some, my hunch is that Smith is leaning into the rhetoric of separation as a means to gain concessions from the federal government on key policy issues. This could include changes to the equalization formula to better support Alberta during economic downturns, reforms to environmental approval processes to limit federal interference in provincially approved projects, or stronger federal support for pipelines to move Alberta crude to market across other provinces.

                In this context, separatist rhetoric functions as a tool to create urgency and force these conversations. It’s not always about actual separation; it is about using the idea to push for specific outcomes.

                It’s also important to remember that Canada has dealt with separatist threats before – most notably in Quebec. Quebec’s case for separation has historically been stronger, partly because it can credibly lay claim to representing a distinct nation within Canada. Alberta, by contrast, was added to Confederation later and doesn’t have the same national identity cleavage that serves as a foundation for separation.

                Moreover, our past brushes with separation are going to make it harder for any unit within Canada to move ahead. The Supreme Court of Canada has now defined what would be required for separation—including a clear question and a clear majority—two requirements that make separation more difficult.

                Finally, there has been very strong pushback against separation by Indigenous nations in Alberta who argue that separation would fundamentally undermine Indigenous treaty rights and disrupt the Crown-Indigenous relationship, further complicating the path to actual separation.

                https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/articles/alberta-separatism-qa-with-expert-adrienne-davidson/

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                Alberta separatism: Q&A with expert Adrienne Davidson

                What does Alberta want? Behind the resurgence of separatist talk lies a deeper struggle over identity, power and Canada’s future.

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                archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                This is yet another astroturfed conservative movement. This whole topic is only supported by a very small number of people, yet it’s being amplified in the media in order to make it seem like a big deal. It isn’t.

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                • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

                  It’s real simple:

                  Alberta: you mean there is valuable goo under my feet that can make me rich? Drill baby drill.

                  Rest of Canada: there are hidden costs to fossil fuel.

                  Alberta: Why can’t you leave me alone so I can make the money I deserve.

                  Is there honestly anything more to conservative separatism? It all comes down to: if you left me alone, I can rightfully exploit what I have access to.

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                  radiofreebc@lemmy.world
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                  Also racism.

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                  • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

                    It’s real simple:

                    Alberta: you mean there is valuable goo under my feet that can make me rich? Drill baby drill.

                    Rest of Canada: there are hidden costs to fossil fuel.

                    Alberta: Why can’t you leave me alone so I can make the money I deserve.

                    Is there honestly anything more to conservative separatism? It all comes down to: if you left me alone, I can rightfully exploit what I have access to.

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                    archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                    There’s also a certain element of “You can’t tell me what to do!”…followed by doing something incredibly stupid and self-destructive, just to “own the Libs”.

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