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Suggest your own spending cuts, Carney government tells CBC, Via Rail and other Crown corporations

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  • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

    The conservatives wanted to fully defund the CBC and unfortnately most of Canada has fallen into the two party trap. I’m not thrilled about the cuts but hopefully letting the corp decide what has to be cut is less harmful than it could be otherwise.

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    patatas@sh.itjust.works
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    #4

    I’m confused. Are you saying that Carney doesn’t have to keep any of his campaign promises, so long as he doesn’t do things that are quite as bad as the hypothetical actions of the party we were told was an existential threat to Canada?

    Apologies if that sounds rude, but I’m getting incredibly frustrated with folks who seem to want to give this government a pass on just about anything, even breaking their explicit campaign promises. Is this really how low the bar is now? If so, we’re absolutely doomed.

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    • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

      I seem to recall an election promise to increase the CBC’s funding by $150m, so clearly Liberal voters weren’t voting for a nearly $200m reduction.

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      Avid Amoeba
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      #5

      Was just looking for that bit as I seem to recall the exact same fucking thing. Here it is. I’m starting to keep receipts.

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      • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

        The conservatives wanted to fully defund the CBC and unfortnately most of Canada has fallen into the two party trap. I’m not thrilled about the cuts but hopefully letting the corp decide what has to be cut is less harmful than it could be otherwise.

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        cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
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        “Well this shit sandwich sure is unpleasant, but at least it’s fresh”

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        • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

          The conservatives wanted to fully defund the CBC and unfortnately most of Canada has fallen into the two party trap. I’m not thrilled about the cuts but hopefully letting the corp decide what has to be cut is less harmful than it could be otherwise.

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          Avid Amoeba
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          #7

          I’d have agreed with your sentiment if Carney didn’t promise increased funding during the election campaign. A promise that was important to me. Now this is some bullshit. It can’t be shrugged off with the rest of the “operational efficiencies” which were suggested during the campaign, because there was explicit statement to the opposite.

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            Avid Amoeba
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            This is some bullshit!

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            • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

              I’m confused. Are you saying that Carney doesn’t have to keep any of his campaign promises, so long as he doesn’t do things that are quite as bad as the hypothetical actions of the party we were told was an existential threat to Canada?

              Apologies if that sounds rude, but I’m getting incredibly frustrated with folks who seem to want to give this government a pass on just about anything, even breaking their explicit campaign promises. Is this really how low the bar is now? If so, we’re absolutely doomed.

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              fireretardant@lemmy.world
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              I’m just trying to look on the bright side and glad the cbc still exists, albeit with less funding. I’ve grown numb to politicians, liberals included, not following through with promises. We never got electoral reform and how many times have liberals ran on that promise?

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                davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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                #10

                1. Marc Carney promised to increase CBC funding. Not slash it. This kind of bullshit combined with a flawed voting system, is exactly why people are losing trust in democracy.

                2. You want Crown Corporations to save money? I’ll give you savings.

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                • Stop paying millions of dollars to use Microsoft Windows. Instead, use Linux.

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                • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                  I’m just trying to look on the bright side and glad the cbc still exists, albeit with less funding. I’ve grown numb to politicians, liberals included, not following through with promises. We never got electoral reform and how many times have liberals ran on that promise?

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                  rumimevlevi@lemmings.world
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                  I’m just trying to look on the bright side and glad the cbc still exists, albeit with less funding

                  That’s why things always get worse.

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                  • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                    I’m just trying to look on the bright side and glad the cbc still exists, albeit with less funding. I’ve grown numb to politicians, liberals included, not following through with promises. We never got electoral reform and how many times have liberals ran on that promise?

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                    Avid Amoeba
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                    This is why we have to scream at them every time we catch them.

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                    • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                      I’m just trying to look on the bright side and glad the cbc still exists, albeit with less funding. I’ve grown numb to politicians, liberals included, not following through with promises. We never got electoral reform and how many times have liberals ran on that promise?

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                      patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                      If you’ve grown numb to it, then why are you in these comments actively defending it?

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                      • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                        If you’ve grown numb to it, then why are you in these comments actively defending it?

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                        fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                        I’m not defending the cuts, i said i wasn’t thrilled about it. If cuts are happening, at least the cbc decides what is cut.

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                        • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                          I’m not defending the cuts, i said i wasn’t thrilled about it. If cuts are happening, at least the cbc decides what is cut.

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                          patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                          You’re defending the promise being broken by saying it’s no big deal/could be worse.

                          This is a 15% cut to the CBC. Do you think that what normally happens is that Mark Carney goes in and starts randomly firing people? Of course not. The budget gets cut and the CBC has to figure out what to do next.

                          The only reason this is being said ahead of time, IMO: the Liberals don’t want to unveil all their devastating cuts in a single budget bill, because the outrage would be incandescent, so they’re dropping a new bombshell every week to keep Canadians on their back foot.

                          None of these cuts are necessary!

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                          • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world

                            1. Marc Carney promised to increase CBC funding. Not slash it. This kind of bullshit combined with a flawed voting system, is exactly why people are losing trust in democracy.

                            2. You want Crown Corporations to save money? I’ll give you savings.

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                            • Stop paying millions of dollars to use Microsoft Windows. Instead, use Linux.

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                            gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                            Yes, let’s take away all the good productivity tools from our public broadcaster. That will surely help them.

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                              Yes, let’s take away all the good productivity tools from our public broadcaster. That will surely help them.

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                              ceebee_eh@lemmy.world
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                              let’s take away all the good productivity tools from our public broadcaster

                              I think you misread. They suggested giving them better tools.

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                                slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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                                Electoral reform when

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                                • C ceebee_eh@lemmy.world

                                  let’s take away all the good productivity tools from our public broadcaster

                                  I think you misread. They suggested giving them better tools.

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                                  Zero
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                                  People are all about the knee jerk reactions these days.

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                                  • C ceebee_eh@lemmy.world

                                    let’s take away all the good productivity tools from our public broadcaster

                                    I think you misread. They suggested giving them better tools.

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                                    gamegod@lemmy.ca
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                                    Sure, OK, I think that’s a valid argument for the OS itself and Microsoft Office. But I’m sure there’s a lot of Windows-only software that they use and won’t be easy to switch. There’s a huge price just to making a change like that, including training staff on new software. You can’t just say “let’s switch to Linux” and hand waive that away.

                                    You also need to consider that organizations need commercially supported software. Nobody in their right mind would run some community-supported distro. They would want a commercially supported distro like Redhat, and that’s going to cost money. I’m sorry, but talk to anyone who’s run IT at a company. You need great tooling and support to administer a fleet of PCs, and I just don’t think that exists on Linux.

                                    What PCs and laptops are they going to procure? There’s only like 2 vendors that ship hardware with Linux. That doesn’t give them much choice. I’m sure they have other organizational requirements that will need to be met too.

                                    This whole “Linux is the best and should/will rule the world” is just Lemmy populism. It seems awesome when you’re a teenager but once you have experience working at companies and start to understand what they need in order to run IT, you see why Microsoft dominates the world. There’s just simply no other competitive option. (On the server side, it’s a completely different story.)

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                                    • G gamegod@lemmy.ca

                                      Sure, OK, I think that’s a valid argument for the OS itself and Microsoft Office. But I’m sure there’s a lot of Windows-only software that they use and won’t be easy to switch. There’s a huge price just to making a change like that, including training staff on new software. You can’t just say “let’s switch to Linux” and hand waive that away.

                                      You also need to consider that organizations need commercially supported software. Nobody in their right mind would run some community-supported distro. They would want a commercially supported distro like Redhat, and that’s going to cost money. I’m sorry, but talk to anyone who’s run IT at a company. You need great tooling and support to administer a fleet of PCs, and I just don’t think that exists on Linux.

                                      What PCs and laptops are they going to procure? There’s only like 2 vendors that ship hardware with Linux. That doesn’t give them much choice. I’m sure they have other organizational requirements that will need to be met too.

                                      This whole “Linux is the best and should/will rule the world” is just Lemmy populism. It seems awesome when you’re a teenager but once you have experience working at companies and start to understand what they need in order to run IT, you see why Microsoft dominates the world. There’s just simply no other competitive option. (On the server side, it’s a completely different story.)

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                                      maxprime@lemmy.ml
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                                      Some governments have been starting this transition already.

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                                      German state gov. ditching Windows for Linux, 30K workers migrating

                                      Schleswig-Holstein looks to succeed where Munich failed.

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                                        yannic@lemmy.ca
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                                        He’s asking them to propose ways of cutting spending. Spending is different from funding. They can cut operational funding and still get earmarked funding for certain projects that wouldn’t have otherwise got off the ground.

                                        Government loves to make funding announcements that turn out to have ‘small print’.

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                                        • G gamegod@lemmy.ca

                                          Sure, OK, I think that’s a valid argument for the OS itself and Microsoft Office. But I’m sure there’s a lot of Windows-only software that they use and won’t be easy to switch. There’s a huge price just to making a change like that, including training staff on new software. You can’t just say “let’s switch to Linux” and hand waive that away.

                                          You also need to consider that organizations need commercially supported software. Nobody in their right mind would run some community-supported distro. They would want a commercially supported distro like Redhat, and that’s going to cost money. I’m sorry, but talk to anyone who’s run IT at a company. You need great tooling and support to administer a fleet of PCs, and I just don’t think that exists on Linux.

                                          What PCs and laptops are they going to procure? There’s only like 2 vendors that ship hardware with Linux. That doesn’t give them much choice. I’m sure they have other organizational requirements that will need to be met too.

                                          This whole “Linux is the best and should/will rule the world” is just Lemmy populism. It seems awesome when you’re a teenager but once you have experience working at companies and start to understand what they need in order to run IT, you see why Microsoft dominates the world. There’s just simply no other competitive option. (On the server side, it’s a completely different story.)

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                                          ceebee_eh@lemmy.world
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                                          Nobody in their right mind would run some community-supported distro

                                          Unless you’re an enterprise customer that pays for enterprise support, Windows is as much of a community-supportered “distro” as Arch.

                                          They would want a commercially supported distro like Redhat, and that’s going to cost money.

                                          No, only if you pay for support.

                                          talk to anyone who’s run IT at a company

                                          Hi, you’re talking to one.

                                          You need great tooling and support to administer a fleet of PCs, and I just don’t think that exists on Linux.

                                          You think wrong. Very wrong.

                                          What PCs and laptops are they going to procure? There’s only like 2 vendors that ship hardware with Linux.

                                          • Lenovo
                                          • Dell
                                          • HP
                                          • Entroware
                                          • System76
                                          • Tuxedo Computers
                                          • Framework
                                          • Purism

                                          And there’s more …

                                          It seems awesome when you’re a teenager but once you have experience working at companies and start to understand what they need in order to run IT

                                          Windows is the last thing I’d ever want to run in an IT department. And believe me, I have plenty of experience. But don’t take my word for it, just look at the European places that are ditching Microsoft completely.

                                          you see why Microsoft dominates the world.

                                          The reasons why are not what you’re implying.

                                          There’s just simply no other competitive option

                                          Even a Mac is competitive against Windows. Linux doubly so. It’s also the reason that all these benchmarks are coming out showing how Windows games run on Linux performance better than on Windows. Don’t even get me started on security. I personally don’t have any Windows computers in my house, and the only Windows VM on my network can’t reach the internet. Only a madman or someone who didn’t know better would let it.

                                          Edit: formatting

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