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An almost inexhaustible reserve of lithium discovered in Canada

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  • R Rhoeri

    America: “That’s ours! We called it!”

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    nomorereddit@lemmy.today
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    #72

    Well take it by any force needed, brother. Citation: iraq 1 and Iraq 2

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    • no_eponym@lemmy.caN no_eponym@lemmy.ca

      You want some of the impacts of making those value added products in your back yard?

      A key reason why Canada ships its oil, lumber, and minerals elsewhere for processing is because there is a human cost to processing these things that moat people don’t want to pay.

      Also, where clean processing is possible it makes processed materials cost-prohibitive when you can just buy the stuff from jurisdictions where health and environmental laws are lax or non-existent and you can process however you like.

      Well, tax the dirty processors and eliminate them from the supply chain, you might suggest! That’s not easier either, see eliminating forced labour from the supply chain as an example.

      I’m not saying nothing should or could be done about Canada’s extraction-only economy, just that it isn’t as easy it may appear at first glance.

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      ikidd@lemmy.world
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      Well, we’ve figured it on things like canola (crush for oil), peas (fractionation plants), lumber (sawmills) and cattle (packing plants). Those have pretty much been in spite of ourselves, not because, as they’ve flourished when we’ve had trade wars with the US/China (or BSE as the case may be).

      We just need a nice crippling tariff on raw lithium and we’ll invest in making batteries. Maybe an export tariff for anything that heads to the US, and funnel that to startup some competition to CATL. The amount of human labor a LFP plant uses is pretty minimal. It would give us all those high-tech retraining positions I keep hearing about we’re going to get any day now.

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        AI-powered satellites point to a massive lithium resource at a Canadian project

        Satellite-linked AI analysis suggests Quebec’s Cisco lithium project could contain about 329 million metric tons of ore, helping guide new drill targets within days.

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        JustEnoughDucks
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        Wasn’t the last time a Canadian company discovered an “inexhaustable supply” of some mineral it was a gold scam that was one of the biggest mining industry scams in history that scammed people out of their pensions?

        Please, I would like to see chain-of-custody third party samples before jumping to conclusions.

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          juice@midwest.social
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          Sounds like a dictatorship that needs McLiberated™

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            lefantome@programming.dev
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            This is just an ad for a satellite exploration company. It is not even that big a deal.

            From the article, “That potential would place Cisco among the largest hard-rock lithium deposits now being tracked in the James Bay region.”

            So, not even the biggest in the area.

            Also, Sodium Ion is about to make Lithium much less of a big deal.

            Still great economically but hardly as world changing as the headline makes out.

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            • JustEnoughDucksJ JustEnoughDucks

              Wasn’t the last time a Canadian company discovered an “inexhaustable supply” of some mineral it was a gold scam that was one of the biggest mining industry scams in history that scammed people out of their pensions?

              Please, I would like to see chain-of-custody third party samples before jumping to conclusions.

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              lefantome@programming.dev
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              #77

              I am sure you are thinking of BreX.

              Other than Canadian investors and mining as a general theme, I cannot think of a single reason to link the two stories.

              Also, BreX never claimed “inexhaustible” anything and was certainly not “the last time” for anything either.

              Canada has more mining companies and mining investment than any country in the world. These kinds of discoveries are common-place. There have been many, many discoveries and success stories in the decades since BreX.

              And this is just another Lithium deposit. Not the biggest in the world and probably not even the biggest in the James Bay district.

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              • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                That potential would place Cisco among the largest hard-rock lithium prospects now being tracked in the James Bay region.

                That’s way less impressive than the headline makes it seem.

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                lefantome@programming.dev
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                Congrats on being the only person that apparently read the article before commenting.

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                • S skibidi@lemmy.world

                  Lithium is quite rare. Essentially all the lithium that exists was created at the big bang, and since then the total supply has been diminishing with each generation of stars - they fuse lithium into heavier elements.

                  There’s less lithium all the time

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                  lefantome@programming.dev
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                  But still lots

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                  • M MyMindIsLikeAnOcean

                    …AND BC lumber, AND Ontario steel, AND maritime fish, AND everybodies’ water and minerals, etcetc

                    I call it “outsourcing profits”.

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                    slurpingpus@lemmy.world
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                    BC lumber? That means BC’s old growth forests, doesn’t it?

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                      bitwolf
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                      inb4 US bombs Canada for some lame excuse of a reason

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                      • N notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world

                        It’s 31st in the crust, there’s more than Lead.

                        Then it’s all over the world in other areas in higher concentrations like in brines (the easiest way for us to get it) or clays, and there’s over 200 billion tons of it in the ocean. Granted the ocean stuff would take some figuring out how to get, but it’s a ridiculous amount.

                        Whenever we go looking for it, we keep finding vast reserves of it.

                        Such as this just this month: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-5-trillion-lithium-deposit-114805186.html?guccounter=1

                        Edit: for the sea water stuff, capturing it as a side product of desalination or a next step in desalination might be a starting way to begin extracting it without massively increasing costs as some of the costs will already be part of desalination, which could help bring desalination costs down via another revenue stream.

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                        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                        Wow, that’s a better abundance than I thought - I guess it really concentrates here - although still not that impressive. The major natural source of it and it’s friends beryllium and boron is literally the nature particle accelerators out there in the cosmos, and the collisions they create, for example in our upper atmosphere.

                        The rest goes under “things other than abundance”, which I did mention. Bismuth is a cheap element because it concentrates itself in veins and has limited applications, despite being comparably rare to silver. At the other end titanium is more common than all forms of carbon put together but is an absolute PITA to concentrate into metal and then manufacture into products.

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                        • L lefantome@programming.dev

                          This is just an ad for a satellite exploration company. It is not even that big a deal.

                          From the article, “That potential would place Cisco among the largest hard-rock lithium deposits now being tracked in the James Bay region.”

                          So, not even the biggest in the area.

                          Also, Sodium Ion is about to make Lithium much less of a big deal.

                          Still great economically but hardly as world changing as the headline makes out.

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                          leastaction@lemmy.ca
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                          This is the part that I find interesting:

                          If Cisco ultimately proves its larger target, the project could anchor a domestic lithium supply chain linking Quebec mines and battery factories.

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                          • JustEnoughDucksJ JustEnoughDucks

                            Wasn’t the last time a Canadian company discovered an “inexhaustable supply” of some mineral it was a gold scam that was one of the biggest mining industry scams in history that scammed people out of their pensions?

                            Please, I would like to see chain-of-custody third party samples before jumping to conclusions.

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                            leastaction@lemmy.ca
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                            The article itself has many caveats. I wouldn’t pay too much attention to an attention-grabbing headline.

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                            • B beardededsquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                              I wonder if Elon will call for couping Canada to gain access to it.

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                              balaquina@lemmy.ca
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                              Tragically, he is a citizen. He can just walk in and do whatever the hell he wants.

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                              • L leastaction@lemmy.ca

                                This is the part that I find interesting:

                                If Cisco ultimately proves its larger target, the project could anchor a domestic lithium supply chain linking Quebec mines and battery factories.

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                                lefantome@programming.dev
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                                The federal and Ontario governments have said repeatedly that they want to build a lithium battery industry. I worry we are arriving too late now that Sodium Ion is upon us but I am probably being too pessimistic.

                                None of that depends on this deposit specifically though. Canada already has lots of Lithium reserves. Much of it is in the same district as this. Of course this could end up being the biggest and truly be “the anchor” I suppose.

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                                • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                  The federal and Ontario governments have said repeatedly that they want to build a lithium battery industry. I worry we are arriving too late now that Sodium Ion is upon us but I am probably being too pessimistic.

                                  None of that depends on this deposit specifically though. Canada already has lots of Lithium reserves. Much of it is in the same district as this. Of course this could end up being the biggest and truly be “the anchor” I suppose.

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                                  2nd best time is now. Always.

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                                  • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                    This is just an ad for a satellite exploration company. It is not even that big a deal.

                                    From the article, “That potential would place Cisco among the largest hard-rock lithium deposits now being tracked in the James Bay region.”

                                    So, not even the biggest in the area.

                                    Also, Sodium Ion is about to make Lithium much less of a big deal.

                                    Still great economically but hardly as world changing as the headline makes out.

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                                    humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                                    Sodium Ion is about to make Lithium much less of a big deal.

                                    Sodium Ion is great diversity source for batteries, but they are inferior in many respects.

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                                    • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                      I am sure you are thinking of BreX.

                                      Other than Canadian investors and mining as a general theme, I cannot think of a single reason to link the two stories.

                                      Also, BreX never claimed “inexhaustible” anything and was certainly not “the last time” for anything either.

                                      Canada has more mining companies and mining investment than any country in the world. These kinds of discoveries are common-place. There have been many, many discoveries and success stories in the decades since BreX.

                                      And this is just another Lithium deposit. Not the biggest in the world and probably not even the biggest in the James Bay district.

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                                      humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                                      BreX deposit was in Indonesia.

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                                      • L lefantome@programming.dev

                                        Congrats on being the only person that apparently read the article before commenting.

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                                        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                        Thanks. Honestly I was just excited to nerd out about geology, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised this website I’ve never seen before does clickbait.

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                                        • H humanspiral@lemmy.ca

                                          Sodium Ion is about to make Lithium much less of a big deal.

                                          Sodium Ion is great diversity source for batteries, but they are inferior in many respects.

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                                          moonshadow@slrpnk.net
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                                          Other than “energy density” they’re better in every way imo. Safer, cheaper, more sustainable, wider operating temp range, big fan

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