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Manosphere influencers are making classrooms a nightmare. Here's why

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  • N null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com

    This might be a kind of unpopular opinion but in a way I’m glad that schools are going to have to confront this issue. They’re very well placed to do so.

    While teachers being abused obviously have my sympathies, the school system can’t ignore this problem and then act shocked when this behavior appears in schools.

    • training for all teachers on how to manage this behavior and this trajectory for kids
    • social media literacy should be part of the curriculum for kids in all years
    • awareness programs and training for parents
    • exposure to more appropriate role models who can help young boys understand how to interact with women
    • advocating for regulation of social media - it’s just bullshit that youtube et al gives this bullshit a platform
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    tigeroovy@lemmy.ca
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    You say that, but then they trot out “boys will be boys” time and time again.

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      Angry_Autist (he/him)
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      This is only a symptom of a deeper rot, and it’s worldwide

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      • T tigeroovy@lemmy.ca

        You say that, but then they trot out “boys will be boys” time and time again.

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        null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Not necessarily.

        Female teachers are resigning over this.

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        • S snoons@lemmy.ca

          Like Voldemort on the back of prof. Quirrells head except…

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          majormajormajormajor@lemmy.ca
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          Voldemort on Quirrels head:

          “let me see him!”

          Quirrel:

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          • N null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            This might be a kind of unpopular opinion but in a way I’m glad that schools are going to have to confront this issue. They’re very well placed to do so.

            While teachers being abused obviously have my sympathies, the school system can’t ignore this problem and then act shocked when this behavior appears in schools.

            • training for all teachers on how to manage this behavior and this trajectory for kids
            • social media literacy should be part of the curriculum for kids in all years
            • awareness programs and training for parents
            • exposure to more appropriate role models who can help young boys understand how to interact with women
            • advocating for regulation of social media - it’s just bullshit that youtube et al gives this bullshit a platform
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            funkyfarmington@lemmy.world
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            All of that is irrelevant without administrators being on board. And that will never happen.

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            • M majormajormajormajor@lemmy.ca

              Voldemort on Quirrels head:

              “let me see him!”

              Quirrel:

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              Track_Shovel
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              I’m howling - thanks for the laugh

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                kiwilly@lemmy.myserv.one
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                Guys hi, just looking for some support share, a Fantasy Adventure Story, for all ages and just some entertain with some storyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVIvQ1wsgg - maybe you are curious

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                • GammaG Gamma

                  I need to watch it, I’m a sucker for the one-shot

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                  bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                  It was well acted, but the hour long one-shot was amazing since it is inside, outside, driving, aerial shots, etc.

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                  • T tazeycrazy@feddit.uk

                    Is your Tate the part between your bum and your balls?

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                    bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                    It Taint

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                      #16

                      While she says teachers are on the front lines, and she’s right, it’s not necessarily their responsibility to fix this problem beyond addressing it as it comes up.

                      The onus is largely on the parents, but more importantly, it should be on all men to call this shit out as they see it.

                      Little Bobby on your son’s hockey team is spouting drivel and you’re the coach? Don’t just sit there and go ‘meh, ain’t my kid’ - call it out. Talk about it. Penalize them if you have to. Rely on the systems already in place (like inclusion/safe space policies in sports leagues) to have your back when you have to act.

                      You’re out supervising your kid and someone else’s kid playing and their kids start up with ‘women want to be raped’ - call that shit out. Shut it down. You might have an awkward conversation later with the parent, but any parent worth their salt will be ripping a strip off their kid if they find out how they have been acting.

                      I feel like a lot of people are afraid to call out stuff like this because they’re worried about the backlash they may face, or get shamed for not considering the offender’s feelings. Offenders shouldn’t feel safe, and lack of action only emboldens them. Not very long ago, it used to be if you said something stupid, you got relentlessly mocked. We’ve moved away from that, and now every opinion is seen as equal; even the harmful ones.

                      Make morons afraid again.

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                      • F funkyfarmington@lemmy.world

                        All of that is irrelevant without administrators being on board. And that will never happen.

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                        policeshootout@lemmy.ca
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                        I’m not sure why you assume this but my wife and I both work in high school (grade 8 - 12) which is part of a small, fairly conservative community. Our administrative staff all the way up to superintendent are extremely supportive of these types of things. Inclusion and awareness is very important at our high school for everyone. We also have social media education introduced in multiple classes. About 3/4 of all staff are female and neither of us have witnessed this type of misogynistic behavior. Our struggle is racism, antisemitism and intolerance.

                        I’m not saying that misogyny isn’t a problem, I experience it on instagram and YouTube all the time and the comment sections are insane. My point is that administration does care, we are encouraged to include this type of education in our curriculum and we talk about it during staff meetings.

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                        • N null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          This might be a kind of unpopular opinion but in a way I’m glad that schools are going to have to confront this issue. They’re very well placed to do so.

                          While teachers being abused obviously have my sympathies, the school system can’t ignore this problem and then act shocked when this behavior appears in schools.

                          • training for all teachers on how to manage this behavior and this trajectory for kids
                          • social media literacy should be part of the curriculum for kids in all years
                          • awareness programs and training for parents
                          • exposure to more appropriate role models who can help young boys understand how to interact with women
                          • advocating for regulation of social media - it’s just bullshit that youtube et al gives this bullshit a platform
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                          bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                          Parents are a big part of this problem. Teachers report behaviors and give recommendations, the parents then deny it happens, or refuse to follow a regimen with their child.

                          A good admin helps, but most try to smooth it over with the parents so the bullshit continue s.

                          My kids are (and were–one quit already) teachers. They had younger grades say grade 3-5 and kids are searching porn, telling them to go fuck themselves, stealing their belongings.

                          Their whole “teaching” time is managing classroom behaviours. Parents called in to talk about the kid, has had parents verbally abuse the teacher and being spit on by the dad. Police had to come.

                          Even at the grade 1-3 level they had parents sending chat messages the whole time to some kids…so obviously the kid won’t put their phone away when asked.

                          And then there are the entitled parents. One kid has challenges (parents claim autism, teachers just say its lack of any structure at home) so kid gets to free roam the class when overwhelmed, while everyone works. Parents then come in to complain that their child feels isolated when freeroaming the classroom and asked the teacher to allow free roam for all students so their kid doesn’t feel bad. Wtf.

                          Just a complete mess of disrespect and unwillingness to focus on working. Parents don’t reinforce work habits either. Its a bumpy ride

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                          • P policeshootout@lemmy.ca

                            I’m not sure why you assume this but my wife and I both work in high school (grade 8 - 12) which is part of a small, fairly conservative community. Our administrative staff all the way up to superintendent are extremely supportive of these types of things. Inclusion and awareness is very important at our high school for everyone. We also have social media education introduced in multiple classes. About 3/4 of all staff are female and neither of us have witnessed this type of misogynistic behavior. Our struggle is racism, antisemitism and intolerance.

                            I’m not saying that misogyny isn’t a problem, I experience it on instagram and YouTube all the time and the comment sections are insane. My point is that administration does care, we are encouraged to include this type of education in our curriculum and we talk about it during staff meetings.

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                            Canadian_anarchist
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                            Unfortunately not all administrators care, and some can be part of the problem. The school I work at has some endemic culture issues because of the “old boys” club that has been formed by the principal. I am glad that you have supportive administration, but that is less common than it should be.

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                            • A Angry_Autist (he/him)

                              This is only a symptom of a deeper rot, and it’s worldwide

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                              scoffinglizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              I noticed it too. My friend in India reports the same polarization issues we have in the US. Society is digressing. Why?

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                              • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                Parents are a big part of this problem. Teachers report behaviors and give recommendations, the parents then deny it happens, or refuse to follow a regimen with their child.

                                A good admin helps, but most try to smooth it over with the parents so the bullshit continue s.

                                My kids are (and were–one quit already) teachers. They had younger grades say grade 3-5 and kids are searching porn, telling them to go fuck themselves, stealing their belongings.

                                Their whole “teaching” time is managing classroom behaviours. Parents called in to talk about the kid, has had parents verbally abuse the teacher and being spit on by the dad. Police had to come.

                                Even at the grade 1-3 level they had parents sending chat messages the whole time to some kids…so obviously the kid won’t put their phone away when asked.

                                And then there are the entitled parents. One kid has challenges (parents claim autism, teachers just say its lack of any structure at home) so kid gets to free roam the class when overwhelmed, while everyone works. Parents then come in to complain that their child feels isolated when freeroaming the classroom and asked the teacher to allow free roam for all students so their kid doesn’t feel bad. Wtf.

                                Just a complete mess of disrespect and unwillingness to focus on working. Parents don’t reinforce work habits either. Its a bumpy ride

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                                HobbitFoot
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                                I feel like COVID did a number on the socialization of kids that’s going to be studied for generations. It is likely made worse by parents who couldn’t/didn’t spend time to address this.

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                                  l3mmypr0n@lemmynsfw.com
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                                  It’s spelled, I N C E L influencers.
                                  Ftfy

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                                  • S scoffinglizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                    I noticed it too. My friend in India reports the same polarization issues we have in the US. Society is digressing. Why?

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                                    HobbitFoot
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                                    I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.

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                                    • Track_ShovelT Track_Shovel

                                      While she says teachers are on the front lines, and she’s right, it’s not necessarily their responsibility to fix this problem beyond addressing it as it comes up.

                                      The onus is largely on the parents, but more importantly, it should be on all men to call this shit out as they see it.

                                      Little Bobby on your son’s hockey team is spouting drivel and you’re the coach? Don’t just sit there and go ‘meh, ain’t my kid’ - call it out. Talk about it. Penalize them if you have to. Rely on the systems already in place (like inclusion/safe space policies in sports leagues) to have your back when you have to act.

                                      You’re out supervising your kid and someone else’s kid playing and their kids start up with ‘women want to be raped’ - call that shit out. Shut it down. You might have an awkward conversation later with the parent, but any parent worth their salt will be ripping a strip off their kid if they find out how they have been acting.

                                      I feel like a lot of people are afraid to call out stuff like this because they’re worried about the backlash they may face, or get shamed for not considering the offender’s feelings. Offenders shouldn’t feel safe, and lack of action only emboldens them. Not very long ago, it used to be if you said something stupid, you got relentlessly mocked. We’ve moved away from that, and now every opinion is seen as equal; even the harmful ones.

                                      Make morons afraid again.

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                                      polarkraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                      Couldn’t agree more. Parenting failures are the root of so much (though being charitable, there are many parents in working conditions that basically destroy their ability to parent effectively). Regardless of parents, any kid is shaped (raised) in big ways by the communities they participate in. I’ve got no problem telling a little knucklehead - even one I’ve never met - to quit mistreating folks in various ways when I see it. And I wish more people would too.

                                      But I also recognize that has the potential to really blow up (even violently) depending on the kid’s parents and the scenario. But still, many of us just recoil from even the idea of a disagreement, and that’s the mechanism that allows this stuff to fester in our youth. Take responsibility for your society, be mean to a kid who needs it today!

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                                      • S scoffinglizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        I noticed it too. My friend in India reports the same polarization issues we have in the US. Society is digressing. Why?

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                                        Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                                        It’s complicated and whenever I post the reasons I get harassed for weeks, including mods and admins, but here goes:

                                        We are in the middle of a men’s mental health crisis, it has been going on for more than twenty years now. The causes are multiple, economic uncertainty, lack of positive male role models, social media bringing lifestyle envy, governments and services constantly favoring women over men for funds and support despite those needs already being abundantly covered already, lack of social mobility, depression about the lack of future prospects

                                        And add on top of this EVERY FUCKING TIME men call out for help in need, the entire world comes down on them and tells them ‘solve you’re own problems, you made patriarchy, you fix it yourself’ all the while women get RIDICULOUS amount of social support from homeless shelters, food pantries (the rules for mothers and fathers are usually different as they assume people claiming to be fathers are liars and need to prove, but women never lie and get all the support they ask for no questions)

                                        Society has been geared to devalue men, and when men complain about it we are told ‘It’s your fault, fix it yourself’

                                        It’s deliberate social manipulation by 3rd wave feminists and conservative think tanks and they spend a lot of time and effort making sure everyone sees it all the time

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                                        • H HobbitFoot

                                          I think part of it is that we’ve changed the role for women in society without changing the man’s role as quickly. We’ve also seen the destruction of being able to address men as a group in need of their own safe space.

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                                          Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                                          And I think you have been overwhelmed by propaganda into thinking 2 incomes per household is normal

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