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Quebec to ban public prayer in sweeping new secularism law

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  • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

    Do you believe that people should be able to have sex out in public for everyone to see? And, why Do you feel the way you do?

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    NoneOfUrBusiness
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    #12

    No, because it’s people are almost universally made uncomfortable by it. It’s not like there’s a segment of society whose values and beliefs entail having sex in public. That still doesn’t support your point. I could make the exact same argument for Iranian hijab laws.

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      velindora@lemmy.cafe
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      #13

      I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.

      Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?

      I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?

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      • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

        I believe that public display of religion makes enough people feel uncomfortable that it was banned in Quebec.

        Let me ask you this, why do you feel that you should be able to practice your religion in plain view of everyone else when you make them uncomfortable? And a follow up question, don’t you think that you should be going to the designated spot for this?

        I certainly don’t think we should ban religion in general. That’s crazy talk. I just don’t think we should be forcing things onto other people. Do you?

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        anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        #14

        Your opinion makes me uncomfortable and I think we should ban expressing things like this in public 😞

        /end sarcasm

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        • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

          Your opinion makes me uncomfortable and I think we should ban expressing things like this in public 😞

          /end sarcasm

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          velindora@lemmy.cafe
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          #15

          Good thing this isn’t public.

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          • V velindora@lemmy.cafe

            Good thing this isn’t public.

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            anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            #16

            You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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            • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

              You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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              velindora@lemmy.cafe
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              #17

              There’s a real difference between doing something on an open internet forum and doing it out in public, physically. Online, people have to choose to click on something, follow a link, or open a post. If they don’t want to see it, they can just scroll past or block it. In the real world, you can’t avoid someone the same way—you can’t block a person walking toward you on the sidewalk, and you can’t just scroll away from something happening right in front of you.

              Plus, online spaces usually come with filters, warnings, and moderation tools that don’t exist in physical public spaces. Everything online is also separated by screens and distance, so the impact isn’t the same as doing something right in front of people who have no way to opt out.

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                Quebec to ban public prayer in sweeping new secularism law

                Bill 9 would outlaw prayer and face coverings in public institutions, sparking fears it targets Muslims in Canada

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                the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

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                ceoofanarchism
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                #18

                Extremely bad idea “laicite” is very wrong and as seen in France enforced selectively and against “others” to produce “conformity”.

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                • T ceoofanarchism

                  Extremely bad idea “laicite” is very wrong and as seen in France enforced selectively and against “others” to produce “conformity”.

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                  Saapas
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                  #19

                  I’ve had people pray in front of the doors on a metro. Insane shit

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                  • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                    Let’s ban something that never happened.

                    The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

                    Fuck the CAQ gov

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                    justOnePersistentKbinPlease
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                    #20

                    By far right you also mean the muslims who pretended a protest was just a public prayer event in the middle of the street and arguably caused this law to be a thing.

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                      tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                      #21

                      By far right I mean actual asshole that stab people and not a protest made against a law

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                      • A anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        You have fundamentally misunderstood the internet if you do not think this is public.

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                        khar21@lemmy.ca
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                        #22

                        Porn is on the internet, does that mean people should start fucking in public?

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                        • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                          Let’s ban something that never happened.

                          The only public prayers in recent years were done by far right extremism who were protected by the police from the counter protesters.

                          Fuck the CAQ gov

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                          khar21@lemmy.ca
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                          Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.

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                          • K khar21@lemmy.ca

                            Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.

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                            sturgist@lemmy.ca
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                            #24

                            Lived in Coquitlam for years and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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                            • K khar21@lemmy.ca

                              Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.

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                              i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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                              Coquitlam, British Columbia? No they don’t. That has literally never happened. Not even once.

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                              • K khar21@lemmy.ca

                                Here in Coquitlam, our parks get flooded with public prayers at noon. It makes me uncomfortable as someone who moved out of sharia law country.

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                                Em Adespoton
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                                Which parks exactly are being flooded with people on prayer mats?

                                If you tried that in Mundy, you’d likely get hit in the head with a frisbee.

                                Most of the other parks I know of in Coquitlam don’t have enough flat space to do such a thing, being filled as they are with trees and trails.

                                Tri Cities? Sure… there are also people doing yoga, going for prayer walks, sword dancing, and many other things from many cultures. But none are really flooding anywhere.

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                                • sturgist@lemmy.caS sturgist@lemmy.ca

                                  Lived in Coquitlam for years and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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                                  khar21@lemmy.ca
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                                  #27

                                  It’s recent, didn’t used to be a thing.

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                                  • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                                    Which parks exactly are being flooded with people on prayer mats?

                                    If you tried that in Mundy, you’d likely get hit in the head with a frisbee.

                                    Most of the other parks I know of in Coquitlam don’t have enough flat space to do such a thing, being filled as they are with trees and trails.

                                    Tri Cities? Sure… there are also people doing yoga, going for prayer walks, sword dancing, and many other things from many cultures. But none are really flooding anywhere.

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                                    khar21@lemmy.ca
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                                    Town Centre park. Maybe it was a specific event or something, but it was happening.

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                                    • K khar21@lemmy.ca

                                      Town Centre park. Maybe it was a specific event or something, but it was happening.

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                                      jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                      So this is something that you saw once or twice ever?

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                                      • T tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website

                                        The problem is not if it should or shouldn’t happen

                                        The problem is that it will not be enforced equally between religious communities and Christian poser asshole

                                        It’s racism with more steps

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                                        jaselle@lemmy.ca
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                                        What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.

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                                        • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                                          What bothers me about this perspective is the implicit assumption that everyone who thinks that public displays of religion should be banned is actually motivated by racism, rather than recognising that somebody can be against this for non-racist reasons.

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                                          tribblesbestfriend@startrek.website
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                                          That is not push on a non-racism way in Quebec. Like I said they don’t want to use the law equally, they want to use it specifically against Muslim.

                                          And so far, from my perspective (that is a confirmation biais), no one debate the idea without a racist undertone

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